整个音乐界 可以分为两大阶段 There are two things in the music business:
《颤栗》之前和《颤栗》之后 before Thriller and after Thriller.
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我第一次听到迈克尔·杰克逊的《颤栗》时 The first time I heard Michael Jackson's Thriller,
它既是流行乐 又是节奏布鲁斯 也是福音 是摇滚 he was pop, he was R and B, he was gospel, he was rock.
它是我所喜爱的一切 It was everything that I loved.
他融合了所有的流行元素 And bring all of these elements together
舞蹈和编舞 dance and choreography
和具有戏剧性的片段和那种感觉 and theatrical moments and the feeling,
就像音乐剧一样 让人身临其境 you know, like a musical, damn near.
它的神奇之处在于 一首歌比一首歌好 The magic of it-- each track was better than the next.
它深入你心 每个人都感觉得到 It was in your brain, and everybody knew it.
迈克尔·杰克逊的《颤栗》专辑 连续十四周 For the 14th consecutive week, the best-selling album in the country
成为美国最畅销专辑 is Michael Jackson's Thriller.
如果《颤栗》是现在发布的 If Thriller came out today,
那它仍然会成为 有史以来最伟大的专辑 it would still be the greatest album ever made.
这是现代流行音乐的终极蓝图 It's the ultimate blueprint to modern pop music.
我喜欢这张唱片的歌曲排序 I love the way that record is sequenced, right?
《想要挑起事端》 歌名说明了一切 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'." The title says it.
他现在想开始搞一些事情 他想要... He wanted to be starting some shit right now. He wanted...
就像是他在说 "我现在就要 He's like, "I'm about to start some shit
在这个行业开创一番事业了 我要'干翻'所有人" in the industry right now. I'm about to blow everybody up."
这是他开创的一切事业的顶峰 This was literally the pinnacle of everything that began with him.
《颤栗》《避开》 "Thriller," "Beat It"
还有《比利·简》 and "Billie Jean."
我想说 从《颤栗》发行 直到今天 To this day, when "Thriller" comes on, I mean,
没有任何一次万圣节 there's not a Halloween that doesn't happen
你会听不到那首歌 where you don't hear that song.
然后还有《人之本性》《P.Y.T》 But then you have "Human Nature," "P.Y.T.,"
还有《我生命中的女孩》 and then you have "Lady in My Life."
它成为有史以来最畅销的专辑 It became the biggest-selling album ever.
迈克尔·杰克逊 是我车上必不可少的 Michael Jackson. Always keep one in the cab.
这就是历史 This is history.
我想说这是黑人文化 I want to say it's Black culture,
但这是 属于每个人的 but it's-it's for everyone.
《颤栗》是有史以来最畅销的专辑 Thriller is the biggest-selling album of all time.
《颤栗》是一种文化现象 Thriller is a cultural phenomenon
这已经持续了四十年 that's lasted four decades
并且这似乎还在继续稳固前进 and seems determined to continue going forward.
最让人佩服的是 What takes your breath away is
他有成为世界上最大的明星的野心 he had the ambition to become the biggest star in the world.
并且他做到了 And he did it.
事实上 他早已有那个梦想 或者说那个目标 The fact that he had that dream, I mean, that-that goal,
这就是不同寻常的故事 that's what's the remarkable story.
从我们小时候开始 Ever since we were kids,
我们一直都想要跳舞 或者跟着音乐的节奏 we've always wanted to dance or keep the time to the music.
这是我们的一部分 And that's part of us.
就像是 我们必须得有的东西 It's like, uh, something we have to have.
就在我们内心 And it's in us,
因为我不知道 如果没有音乐的话 我会怎么办 because I don't know what I would do if there was, uh... wasn't music.
乔·杰克逊在孩子们的职业生涯中扮演的角色 Joe Jackson's role in his children's careers
引发了人们广泛的讨论 would give people a lot to talk about.
这位前钢铁工人 不知怎的带领他的家庭离开了印第安纳州 The former steelworker had somehow gotten his family out of Indiana,
为明星之路做好了铺垫 groomed for stardom.
接下来要登场的是 来自印第安纳州加里的 Now, here are five brothers from Gary, Indiana,
年龄从10岁到18岁不等的五兄弟组合 from Gary, Indiana, ranging in age from ten to 18:
杰克逊五兄弟 The Jackson 5.
这个可怜男孩的生活 This poor man's life has been
已经被完全"剖析" dissected completely.
到现在为止 还有什么是我们不知道的呢 Is there anything anybody hasn't asked you by now?
跟我谈谈 你认为 Now, tell me, what do you think
你自己和杰克逊家族 成功的关键是什么 is the success of the Jacksons, yourself and the Jacksons?
我觉得关键应该是 团结 I would say probably, um, togetherness.
当我想到迈克尔的时候 I can't think about Michael without thinking about
就会自然而然地想到杰克逊五兄弟和摩城 The Jackson 5 and Motown and all of that,
这让我回想起更久远的过去 so it takes me a little further back.
让我回想起《墙外》 这是我最喜欢的唱片之一 Takes me to Off the Wall, which is one of my favorite records.
欢迎再次来到WBLS电台 迈克尔·杰克逊 Welcome to WBLS once again, Michael Jackson.
非常感谢 Thank you very much.
专辑的名字是... The name of the album is...
-《墙外》- 是吗 -Off the Wall. -Are you?
我和迈克尔马上回来 We'll be back with Michael right after this.
我不是杰克逊五兄弟的忠实粉丝 I was not the biggest Jackson 5 fan.
我是一个严肃的流行音乐评论家 I was a serious pop music critic.
我觉得 "嗯 他们确实非常可爱" And I said, "Well, it's cute what they're doing."
詹姆斯·布朗 杰基·威尔逊 他们都很厉害 You know, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, that's really nice.
但是这些不是我真正感兴趣的 You know, it wasn't what I was interested in.
后来《墙外》发行了 And then Off the Wall comes out,
我开始沉浸在它的快感之中 尝试深入了解迈克尔和他的内心世界 and I was caught up in the excitement of learning more about Michael and his world,
因此我单独采访了他 so I interview him separately.
集体采访杰克逊五兄弟 再单独采访他 You interview the brothers all together, him separately.
看得出来 他很紧张 You know, he's nervous.
他不喜欢接受采访 He doesn't like to do interviews.
他说 他时常感到悲伤和孤独 He's sad, he's lonely, he says.
他开始讲述自己的生活 He starts talking about his life.
他在 14 15 16岁那会儿受了很大的伤害 He was so hurt around 14 and 15 and 16,
那时他的脸变了 when his face changed.
他长大了 He got bigger.
我的意思是 他的脸上开始冒痘了 I mean, his face had broken out.
他非常伤心 He was so sad.
人们不再像以前那样关心他了 People didn't care about him anymore.
你知道吗 年轻人们会去参加别人家里的派对 You know, adults would come into a party at some house,
他们会环顾四周 寻找着 "迈克尔在哪里" and they would be looking all around. "Where's Michael?"
他们甚至从他身边走过 完全没注意到他 And they'd be walking right past him, you know?
他觉得别人在说 "我们不在乎你了 我们想念的是那个小孩子" And he got the feeling that, "We don't care about you. We want that little kid."
他下定决心要以一个独立歌手的身份 He was dead set on his focus to be, you know,
成为迈克尔·杰克逊 Michael Jackson, solo artist.
他必须这么做 And he had to.
他明白 他知道是时候了 He knew that it was time. He knew that...
他很高兴能够完全按照自己的想法去做这件事 He was excited to have it all be on his own terms.
而是... 不依靠于任何人 You know, not attached to anybody.
无需多言 他都懂... And he knew that...
脱离了这些 他甚至能够"一步高飞" that he was even gonna soar from that.
《墙外》取得了巨大的成功 Off the Wall was an enormous success.
它确立了迈克尔作为独立歌手的地位 It-it put Michael on the map as a solo artist.
人们忘记了 在《墙外》之前 People forget that, before Off the Wall,
也就是从摩城时期到《命运》专辑之间的一段时间 there was a period between Motown and the Destiny album
人们认为杰克逊五人组的职业生涯就要结束了 where people thought maybe the career of The Jackson 5 was over,
他们已成为昨日黄花 成为了被遗忘的男孩乐队 that they were yesterday's news, forgotten boy band, really.
所以《墙外》重新确立了迈克尔值得关注的地位 So Off the Wall reestablished Michael as someone to watch.
《墙外》是一张令人难以置信的专辑 Off the Wall was just this incredible record,
我们知道 迈克一定会带着一些特别的东西回归 and we knew that Mike was coming back with something special
因为在格莱美颁奖典礼上 他并未赢得他想要的一切 because he didn't win everything that he wanted during the Grammys,
他只获得了一个奖项 and he only won one award,
那就是节奏布鲁斯奖项 which was the R and B award at that.
他认为自己肯定能大获全胜 He thought he was gonna sweep.
他肯定在想 "我这都是流行热曲啊“ He thought for sure, "I got a pop smash here."
所以 当这没能发生时 他怀着复仇的决心离开了 So, when that didn't happen, he left there with a vengeance,
下定决心 下次要做得更好 just determined to do better next time.
他下定决心 要去改变人们对他的看法 He was determined to change the way he was perceived.
他给自己写了很多东西 包括肯定自己的话 There were a lot of writings he did to himself, affirmations.
我站在镜子前 一遍又一遍对自己说.. I look in the mirror, and I would say over and over to myself...
我会深深吸一口气 双脚并拢 挺直身体 坚强地如一位... I'd take a deep breath, put my feet together, raise myself erect, strong like a...
一位英雄战士 a hero warrior,
然后我会对自己说 "史上最畅销专辑 销量最大" and I'd say, "Biggest-selling album of all time, greatest seller,"
一遍又一遍地在心中默念 注视着我的双眼 over and over to my mind, and look in my eyes.
我是认真的 And I'd mean it.
我会说 "有史以来最畅销的专辑" I'd say, "Biggest-selling album of all times."
除这个之外 我什么都不会去接受 And I wouldn't accept anything unless this was exactly what I wanted.
我的态度是 我要拿到史上最畅销的专辑 My attitude was: I want the biggest-selling album of all times,
打破记录 做出惊人的作品 to break records, to do phenomenal work.
我带着愤怒开始 I came in angry.
迈克尔在创作 Michael was writing.
他正在写词 他愤怒不已 He was writing. He was fuming.
他仍然对这个结果感到不满 He was still upset about this idea that he would be denied,
即《墙外》没有获得那些个奖项 you know, major awards for Off the Wall.
我记得他们制作这张专辑时的整个过程 I just remember all of the, the process of when they were doing it.
还有... 在录制过程中 充满了激动和兴奋 And the, uh... the excitement while they're recording,
从听到关于专辑的传闻 到 带着它进进出出录音室时的兴奋 我都记忆犹新 just, you know... just hearing tales, you know, as they're coming in and out of the studio with it.
Westlake是个很棒的工作室 Westlake was a really great studio
因为你感觉到这个场所散发出一种温暖 友好和轻松 because y-you felt the facility had this warmth and this friendliness
这种友好 和随意让你放松的感觉 and this casual put-you-at-ease feeling.
那里有一种令人难以置信的氛围 There was just the most incredible vibe.
让你可以在创作上完全自由发挥 Where you could just be creatively free to-to take...
将音乐引向任何你想要的方向 take the music wherever you wanted.
这是圣地 我曾经... 我经常在这里 This is hallowed ground. I was... I was in here a lot
因为昆西在这里制作了很多唱片 'cause Quincy made a lot of records in here.
《墙外》就是在这里制作的 Off the Wall was made in here.
当然还有《颤栗》 Certainly Thriller.
昆西在这里工作了很多次 Quincy worked in here a lot.
昆西对我们一生中所做的一切都产生了影响 Quincy influenced everything we've ever done in our lives.
-无论你是否能听到 -没错 -Whether you can hear it or not. -Exactly.
对音乐的深刻理解 Depth of understanding of music.
这就是使昆西成为昆西的原因 That's what makes Quincy Quincy.
他做过大乐队 他做过小乐队 He's done big band. He's done small bands.
他做过流行 他做过摇滚 他什么都做过 He's done pop. He's done rock. He's done everything.
因此 理解所有这些不同的流派 So, just understanding all those different genres
以及 懂得如何将它们融合在一起 and-and how to fuse them all together
正是让你在迈克尔·杰克逊的唱片中得到所有这些美妙应用的原因 is what gives you all these wonderful applications that you get on a Michael Jackson record.
那个声音是由... And that sound was ma...
布鲁斯·斯维丁在整体音效方面 You know, Bruce Swedien had a lot to do with
起了很大的作用 how that overall sound was--
回声 混响以及...他安排事物的方式 the echo and the reverbs and the... the way he would place things.
而他们都感到兴奋 And they were excited.
在我们制作这张唱片的时候 As we were making the record,
你能感觉到房间里充满了兴奋 you could feel the excitement in the room.
大家都知道我们正在做一些特别的事情 Knowing that we were doing something that was gonna be special.
哇 我甚至不知道从哪里开始 Wow, I don't even know where to begin.
我只记得来到这个录音室 I just remember coming here to this studio,
这里就像是第二个家一样 which was like a second home,
然后我走进来 听着罗德·坦普顿提供的小样 and coming in, listening to, uh, the demos that Rod Temperton would provide.
然后我们就开始在音乐上雕琢 And we would just start to carve musically
然后... 逐渐深入小样中的细节 and-and work our way into the details of the demos.
罗德·坦普顿 Rod Temperton.
这个家伙太出色了 This guy was brilliant.
他有深厚的功底 I mean, he was deep.
我喜欢罗德·坦普顿 他创作了令人难以置信的歌曲 I love Rod Temperton. He wrote incredible songs,
而且他是昆西... 团队的重要成员 and he was a part of Quincy's, you know, tight team.
在《女孩是我的》中 我们使用了许多有趣的音效 We did a lot of funky sounds on "Baby Be Mine."
昆西一直在寻找... Quincy was just looking for...
他总是在寻找一些不同寻常的东西 He's always looking for something different.
所以我们被邀请进来是因为... So we were brought in because it was...
我认为昆西知道MTV I think Quincy knew about MTV,
他在寻找一种电影化的东西 and he was looking for a cinematic thing
因为昆西出身于电影 'cause Quincy came from film.
当迈克尔想要一种... 他知道的他想要的音效 When Michael would want... he knew things that he would want for sounds.
然后 他会把它放在唱机上播放 And, uh, he would put it on a record player and play it.
然后我会说 "好吧 让我去拿另一个合成器" And then I'd say, "Well, let me go get that other synth."
于是它可能在停在韦斯特莱克的停车场的卡车里 So it would be in the truck, parked in the parking lot of Westlake,
或者在走廊里 or it would be in the hallway.
我们在走廊上排着铁盒 We had Anvil Cases lined up the hall,
基本上是占领了这个地方 and we just basically took over the place.
我们创造出各种音效 And we were creating sounds
然后大规模地使用合成器 and using synthesizers in-in kind of a big way
取代了管弦乐队 and replacing orchestra.
所以 还有件事就是 关于迈克尔作为一名歌曲创作者的发展 So, one of the things that I noticed about Michael's development as a songwriter,
我注意到他在节奏和和声方面变得更加高级 I-I saw him getting more rhythmically and harmonically advanced,
不断地向前迈进 一步又一步 taking steps forward and forward and forward.
他的才华不仅在歌手方面得到发展 His talent was not only developing as a singer.
-他在... 作为一位表演者也得到了发展 -是的 -He developed as a...as an entertainer. -Yes.
有趣的是 你们居然选了这个房间 It's funny you guys should have picked this room,
因为我在这里走着 你知道 然后我... 'cause I'm walking through here, you know, and I-I just...
你知道 我就看到了 you know, I'm just seeing.
我几乎可以将他的精神 I can... I almost, um, channel him,
-引导到这个房间里 -是的 -his spirit into this room. -Yeah.
他让我们有所准备 He had us prepared.
-我们准备好了 -毫无疑问 -We were prepared. -No question.
他会准备好开始再进来 And he would come in ready to go.
他是那种拥有令人敬畏的职业操守的人 He was the kind of individual that, uh, had a awesome work ethic.
这个过程真的是一次冒险 The process was quite a, uh, adventure
因为大多数人忘记了 'cause most people forget that
专辑的第一支单曲是《女孩是我的》 the first single from the album was "The Girl Is Mine."
显然 世界上没有比保罗·麦卡特尼更大的明星了 Obviously, you had no bigger star in the world than Paul McCartney.
你知道 迈克尔和保罗的组合 And, you know, the pairing of Michael and Paul,
有什么比这更好的旗帜引领来启动一个项目呢 what better flag waver to get a project started?
开始吧 约翰 可以开始了 Yeah, hit it, John. Hit it, John.
所以我们接到了电话 So we get the call.
就像 保罗·麦卡特尼和迈克尔·杰克逊 It's, like, Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson.
我是说 再也没有比这更大的了 I mean, it just didn't get any bigger than that,
所以我们有点像 so we were kind of like,
哦 天哪 我们该怎么办 "Oh, holy shit. What are we gonna do?
这到底是怎么一回事 What's this gonna be all about?"
当保罗·麦卡特尼走进房间时 When Paul McCartney walked in the room,
能感受到 有明显的能力变化 there was a palpable change of energy of:
哦 天哪 那是保罗·麦卡特尼 "Oh, my God, that's Paul McCartney."
-完美 -耶 -Beautiful. -Yeah.
再来一遍吧 伙计 从第二节开始 Do that one more time, man, from the second verse.
那是一个美好的日子 Uh, that was a wonderful day.
对我来说 那是改变我一生的一天 For me, it was a day that changed my life.
我身处于音乐业中最伟大 最成功的人物之间 I was in the presence of the greatest, most successful people in the music business.
有保罗·麦卡特尼 迈克尔·杰克逊 昆西·琼斯 Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones.
还有乔治·马丁也在那里 George Martin was there.
由于它优美的旋律 Because of its catchy melody,
很多人认为《女孩是我的》是保罗·麦卡特尼创作的 many think "The Girl Is Mine" was written by Paul McCartney,
事实上 这其实是迈克尔·杰克逊创作的 when, in fact, it was composed by Michael Jackson.
一旦音乐开始流动 Once the music started flowing,
他们就像是和老朋友一样 it was like here's two old friends.
在《墙外》之后 Coming out of Off the Wall,
面临的挑战是 the challenge was:
迈克尔·杰克逊究竟是真正的流行巨星 Is Michael Jackson really a pop star,
还是说 仅是一位R&B艺术家 or is he just a big R and B artist?
实际上 情况是这样的 The way it worked was that
在登上流行榜前 你一直是一位黑人艺术家 you were a Black artist until you weren't,
而当你登上流行榜时 你就不再是了 and you weren't when you got on the pop charts.
迈克尔告诉我 Michael told me
《女孩是我的》是他的出奇制胜之计 "The Girl Is Mine" was his sneak attack.
他知道自己想要跨界 He knew he wanted to cross over,
而有什么比和保罗·麦卡特尼合作更好的方式呢 And what better way to do it than to have Paul McCartney?
这些我都听过了 迈克尔 I've heard it all before, Michael.
她告诉我 我是她永远的爱人 你知道吗 She told me that I'm her forever lover, you know?
你不记得了吗 Don't you remember?
在爱上我之后 Well, after loving me,
她说了 她不会再爱别人了 she said she couldn't love another.
她是这么说的吗 Is that what she said?
是的 她说了 你痴心妄想 Yeah, she said it. You keep dreaming.
所以 那次与迈克尔和保罗的最初会面 是在四月 So, that initial session with Michael and Paul happens in April.
其实《颤栗》专辑的正式录音会在几个月后才开始 The actual formal sessions for Thriller didn't start for a couple months later.
是的 迈克尔是在他的私人录音室录制的小样 Yeah, Michael, uh, did the demos at-at his home studio.
昆西邀请我去迈克尔的家里 Quincy invited me to go to Michael's house
去听一些小样 to listen to some demos.
我没意识到的是 What I didn't realize was that
我们会获得独属于我们自己的 we would be given our own private world premiere
《比利·简》《避开》《想要挑起事端》独家首映 of "Billie Jean," "Beat It," "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'."
嗯 歌曲创作的过程 Well, the songwriting process
是一件很难解释的事情 is something that's very difficult to explain
因为它是非常灵性的 because it's very spiritual.
这... 这其实是上天的馈赠 It's, uh... it really is in the hands of God,
而且它就像是已经被写好了一样 and it's as if it's been written already.
这才是真相 That's the real truth.
好像 它在你出生之前就已经完全写好了 As if it's been written in its entirety before you were born
而你只是 这些歌曲涌现的源泉 and you're just really the source through which the songs come.
真的 因为它们... Really, because they're...
它们就这样完整地到了你的手上 they just fall right into your lap in its entirety.
你不必再去做太多的 思考 You don't have to do much, uh, thinking about it.
有时我会有一种负罪感 因为我不得不把我的名字写在歌曲上 And I feel guilty having to put my name sometimes on the songs,
但是我 确实创造了它们 but I-I do write them.
我作曲 我写歌 我做配乐 I compose them. I write them. I do the scoring.
我写歌词 我做旋律 I do the lyrics. I do the melody.
但这仍然... 是上帝的杰作 But still it's, uh... it's the work of God.
《想要挑起事端》太疯狂了 "Startin' Somethin'" was wild.
他里面的这些... he had all this...
《想要挑起事端》 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
有《墙外》中的那种 狂热的打击乐 has the frenetic percussion of Off the Wall,
这令人惊叹 因为 which is amazing because
你有这些非常紧凑的鼓点 it's like, you have these incredibly tight drum grooves
以及现在的这些程序化的节拍 and these programmed beats now.
我认为这就是为什么对我来说 I think that's why, for-for me,
《想要挑起事端》仍然是我的最爱 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" is still my favorite.
我记得就是... 当时我们去做小样 I remember just, uh, uh, being able to go out and do the demo
在海文赫斯特 at Hayvenhurst, yeah.
在我们到之前 他就已经有了小样 He had it before we got there,
然后他就 你知道 and then h-he just, you know,
与我们分享 我们制定了各自的部分 shared it with us and we worked out the parts.
因为它是如此有节奏 等等 because it's so rhythmic and all that.
所以他知道想要的效果 And so he knew the sound,
他知道 他想要听到的节奏和一切 he knew the rhythm that he wanted to hear and everything,
所以就像我说的 我们很快就完成了 so like I said, we were quick.
会有一种特定的方法 你要采取... There's a certain approach, you know, you want to take to...
你知道 突出强调那种感觉 you know, to emphasize the feeling.
我会说 是昆西帮助将这些元素粘在一起 I would say that Quincy helped glue those elements together
并通过歌曲从开始到最后的过程制作出一种弧线 and make an arc out of the progression of how the song started to... to the vamp at the end,
把它做得天衣无缝 包括边边角角 and made it seamless, you know, including horns,
当然 一开始可能会被认为太爵士 which, of course, at-at first thought, would be considered too jazzy,
但后来 它们在歌曲中融合地很完美 but they blended perfectly well in the song later on.
但还是有那个... But there's still that...
在最后的最后 And then at the end,
大家开始清唱到... when it goes a cappella to...
对于一名DJ来说 这段简直太爱了 That, as a DJ... that is your best friend
因为你可以把这段 混音到你的下一首唱片 because then you start to mix in your next record
融入到自己的混音大作当中 and blending in whatever the biggest songs you have.
事实上 我问过他 As a matter of fact, I asked him
"mama se mama sa ma-ma coo sa" 是什么意思 what "mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa" meant,
这句词 它一遍遍在重复... you know, while it was going down.
他说 "奥伦 这并没有具体意思 唱就好了 你知道的" He... "Well, it don't mean nothing. Just sing it, you know,"
对 就是这样 Yeah, and there it is,
但这还是令人难以相信 我告诉你 because that was difficult to do, I'm telling you.
他说 "我喜欢和你们一起唱歌" He said, "I like singing with you all
因为你们的音色跟我很像 because you sound like me."
他一直认为我们的声音与他的搭配得非常好 He always thought our voices blended so well with his.
《想要挑起事端》 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
就像... 这就像是 was like... it was like
一个可以进一步了解他的机会 an opportunity to kind of get into his mind.
而《比利·简》这个想法 And this idea of, like, "Billie Jean"
事实上 他就生活在 这样的环境中... and the fact that he was living kind of in this world where
一个不知道孰是孰非的世界 you didn't really know what was real or wasn't.
当时我妈妈刚买了 My mom had just bought
立体声音箱 还带有灯光 a stereo system, and it had lights.
鼓声响起 The drums kicked in.
然后... And then...
我在想... 什么 I mean... What?
我沿着走廊跑下去 只是为了近距离听清楚 And I ran down the hallway just to hear closely
到底是什么… 在放什么歌 这是哪张唱片 what was... what was playing, what this record was.
原来那是《比利·简》 And it was "Billie Jean,"
然后 流行就从此刻开始 and it was on and poppin' from there.
但是又有点恼人 因为总能听到有人在房间里跟唱 It's actually kind of nasty, and you can hear the room mics
而且远比你想的要吵很多 and it's dirtier than you think.
你知道 总会有那么一刻 You know, you always have that moment where
你第一次爱上一个艺术家 you fall in love with an artist for the first time.
而一个真正伟大的传奇艺术家 Really truly great, legendary artists,
会让你一次又一次地有同样的感觉 you have that same feeling over and over and over again.
《比利·简》就是那样一个时刻 "Billie Jean" was that moment
让我再次深深地爱上了迈克尔 where I fell in love with Michael all over again.
当迈克尔唱这首歌的时候 When Michael sings it,
他以他的方式 赋予了这首歌放克的感觉... he puts the funk into it the way he does all the...
以及他加入的所有小细节 ...and all the little stuff that he puts in.
给歌曲赋予了切分的节奏 That gives it the syncopation.
如果我开始... And if I just go...
那他就开始... ...he's gonna go...
每个人都喜欢 魔性的R&B Everybody loves toxic R and B.
比利·简并不是我的情人 她只是个 "Billie Jean is not my lover. She's just a girl
声称我就是"那个人"的女孩 who claims that I am the one"?
这就让人想 她是他的小三吗 Yeah, that's like, was it his side chick?
你懂我说的吗 You know what I'm saying?
她是他有过一次邂逅 并怀孕了的女孩吗 Was it some chick who, you know, he had an encounter with and got pregnant?
这是真的吗 还是一个 Is this real, or is this some
妄想的粉丝口中的流言 delusional fan who is saying that
他们到底有没有发生了些什么 they had an encounter that they did or didn't?
所有这些只会让你 All of those things just led you
对这个艺术家更加感兴趣 是吧 to be more intrigued about an artist, right?
这首歌很有急迫感 还带点R&B的风格 But it was, like, urgent and R and B.
这...这太疯狂了 这是一个... It was... it was crazy. It was a...
一个令人惊叹的R&B唱片 以及他的歌词 an amazing R and B record, and his lyrics--
"这孩子不是我的儿子" 我是说... you know, "The kid is not my son," I mean...
"这孩子不是我儿子" "The kid is not my son."
首先... 我们喜欢坏小子 That first... well, that... we-we like bad boys,
所以这让我们更加喜欢他 so that made us love him some more.
当我看到MV的时候 我目瞪口呆 And then when I saw the video, I was losing my mind.
我失声尖叫 I lost my voice, screaming.
在《比利·简》MV中的场景 You know, it was about "Billie Jean."
如你所见 他踩在人行道的地板上 You know, him stepping on, you know, the-the pavement,
地板会发光 让你感觉像有魔法一样 it glowing and, you know, making you feel the magic.
我在脚本分镜里写了 他在往前走的同时 I'd storyboarded that, uh, he would walk down the, uh...
街道和铺路石会亮起来 the street and the paving stones would light up.
然后 我给他看了那可以被点亮11块铺路石 And I showed him which 11 paving stones we could afford to have light up
还有那些不可以被点亮的 and therefore which ones couldn't.
他认真地看着那些地板砖 And he looked carefully at them,
然后我说 "我们应该排练一下吗" and-and I said, "Well, should we rehearse it?"
他说 "不用 我们就这么开始吧" And he said, "No, let-let's just do it."
然后 我们就开始播放音乐 And we ran the playback, the music,
《比利·简》的曲子响了起来 and the chorus kicked in for "Billie Jean,"
他在那条街上 开始了他的舞蹈动作 and he began his dance movement down that street,
我永远不会忘记那一刻 and I'll never forget it.
当时相机都要起雾了 The-the camera actually steamed up.
透过目镜 我几乎看不见他 I could hardly even see him through the-the eyepiece
因为这些场景 because it was
看着就很令人兴奋 so exciting to watch.
迈克尔舞步如此之多 Michael is doing so much moving
以至于史蒂夫甚至都没有跟上 that Steve isn't even getting.
《比利·简》中有几个镜头 There are several shots in "Billie Jean"
他只是被从腰部以上的角度拍摄 where he's just being shot from the waist up
你可以看到他做各种各样的动作 and you can just see him doing all kinds of stuff.
你就想说 "为什么不拍全呢" And it's like, "Why aren't you getting that?"
但这也证明 当时用这些设备捕捉舞者是很新奇的事 But that's just how new the medium was to capturing dancers.
迈克尔为行业打破了传统思路 Michael opened the door for that.
还有在MV里面 好几次让MJ定格在那里 And every time they just kept freezing him in those brackets,
每次他走一会 他们就让他定格 and every time he'd walk, they froze him.
还有 每次当他唱了几句... And every time he said something,
我有点失态了 因为我太爱他了 I just was losing my mind 'cause I loved him so much.
不过在《比利·简》中 But on "Billie Jean,"
我们觉得 "哦 他怎么会那么性感" we was like, "Oh, he is super-duper-duper sexy."
MTV拒绝放映《比利·简》 MTV refused to play "Billie Jean."
他们说 "我们的受众群体 大部分是... 白人青少年 They said, "Well, our network appeals to, you know, white teenagers,
这不太符合我们的传统" and this just really doesn't fit our format."
就是这样 This is it.
欢迎收看MTV音乐电视台 Welcome to MTV Music Television.
我是马克·古德曼 I'm Mark Goodman.
-我是玛莎·奎恩 -我是艾伦·亨特 -I'm Martha Quinn. -I'm Alan Hunter.
每次收看音乐的方式与众不同 You'll never look at music the same way again.
打开它 一直开着 Turn it on! Leave it on!
美国 看你想看的音乐 America, see the music you want to see.
我想看我的MTV I want my MTV.
一些著名的黑人音乐家在抱怨 Some prominent Black musicians are complaining
他们被视频行业所排挤 that they are being left out of the video market,
特别是 音乐电视有线电视业务 specifically the Music Television cable operation.
我看了过去几个月的MTV 我突然意识到 It-it occurred to me, having watched MTV over the last few months,
这… 这个企业的实力过硬 而且它有很多优势 That it's-it's got a... it's a solid enterprise and it's got a lot going for it.
我感到震惊的是 有这么多的黑人艺术家... I'm just floored by the fact that there's so many Bl...
很少有黑人艺术家在那上面得到推荐 so few Black artists featured on it.
为什么会这样 Why is that?
坦率地说 我们是一个摇滚电台 The fact is, quite frankly, we're a rock and roll station.
直到世界末日 MTV都不愿意承认 MTV will deny this till the world ends,
他们对黑人艺术家具有偏见 that they had nothing against Black artists.
但是他们拒绝播放迈克尔的歌曲 But they refused to, uh, play Michael.
在1975年 我被任命为哥伦比亚唱片集团的总裁 In 1975, I was named president of the CBS Records Group
和哥伦比亚广播公司的副总裁 and a vice president of CBS, Inc.
没有任何唱片能像迈克尔·杰克逊的《颤栗》一样 No single record changed the business and my life
如此强烈地改变了这个行业和我的生活 as powerfully as Michael Jackson's Thriller.
当MTV拒绝播放他的MV时 I screamed bloody murder
我尖叫着抗议 异常气愤 when MTV refused to air his videos.
他们辩称 他们的传统是"白人摇滚" They argued that their format, white rock,
不适合迈克尔的音乐 excluded Michael's music.
我认为他们是种族主义混蛋 I argued they were racist assholes.
沃尔特·耶特尼科夫说 So Walter Yetnikoff said,
是吗 那好 "Really? Okay.
如果你不放迈克尔·杰克逊的歌 If you don't play Michael Jackson,
我就撤下比利·乔尔和我手上的所有其他人 I'm pulling Billy Joel and everybody else that I have,
离开MTV off of MTV."
我从来没有如此强势或刻薄过 I've never been more forceful or obnoxious.
我也从来没有过这么强的执行力 I've also never been as effective.
在昆西·琼斯的额外压迫下 他们屈服了 With added pressure from Quincy Jones, they caved in,
在这之后 MTV的肤色门槛彻底被打破了 and in doing so, the MTV color line came crashing down.
关于《颤栗》最重要一件事情的是 One of the most important things about Thriller
是它打开了大门 was the doors that it opened
让其他艺术家有机会 for other artists to have the opportunity
登上流行音乐排行榜 to get on the pop charts.
蒂娜·特纳 我的天 独立舞者 Tina Turner. My God, Private Dancer.
这个榜终于像样了 That's who it was.
有蒂娜 还有莱昂内尔 惠特尼 It was Tina, it was Lionel, it was Whitney,
以及迈克尔 还有普林斯 it was Michael and Prince.
他们的收益会很疯狂 Revenues could just be crazy.
《颤栗》在剧情和文化上有了新的突破 Thriller changes the dynamic and the culture.
迈克尔证明了这种可能性 Michael shows the way that this is possible.
是的 我是在《颤栗》发行的那段时期长大的 Yeah, I-I grew up, uh, during the time that Thriller was released,
而那时MTV正变得越来越重要 and MTV was just becoming a really big thing.
我记得更为清晰的是 I remember almost more vividly
那些通过音乐视频传达的令人惊叹的故事 the amazing storytelling through the videos,
这很有趣 因为我认为 which is pretty interesting 'cause I think
四十年后的今天 音乐和视频 here we are 40 years later, and the music and the video
开始在TikTok上重现生命力 为下一代带来新的生机 is coming to life again for the next generation on TikTok.
迈克尔·杰克逊的音乐自2020年8月起 在TikTok上可用 Michael Jackson's music has been available on TikTok since August 2020.
我认为这张专辑中这些歌曲和视频 I think there's a real rebirth of the music and the video
正在经历的一次真正的重生 from these songs on the album.
正是这新一代人 在开始接触这些音乐 并参与到其中 And it is this new generation that's being exposed or engaging with the music.
目前在TikTok上有大约一千万个 There are about ten million video creations
包含《颤栗》专辑歌曲的视频作品 on TikTok right now that include music from Thriller.
这其中的一千万个视频 已经累计了170亿次观看 There are 17 billion views of those ten million videos that exist.
这些视频获得了大约20亿个赞 There are about two billion likes on those videos,
人们会点赞视频或分享视频 来表达对这个音乐的喜爱 so people putting a little thumbs-up or sharing or doing something to say, "I'm excited about this.
表达自己沉浸在这音乐中 I'm engaging with this-this music."
这是相当庞大的数字 Pretty massive numbers.
他们第一次听到这些首歌 They're hearing it for the first time.
他们 他们就像... They're-they're like...
你知道 这可能就像是我们当时在 You know, it's-it's the same feeling we maybe had
观看《颤栗》或《避开》MV时的感觉 when we watched the MTV video for "Thriller" or "Beat It."
40年后 他们依然也会有同样的经历 They're having that same experience 40 years later,
但与其只是观看 他们实际上 but rather than just watch, they're actually
在制作一些内容 来与这首音乐互动 then making something to engage with that music.
我对我听到的关于MTV的消息感到有些沮丧 I was kind of upset about the news the news I heard about MTV
他们不播放黑人艺术家的节目 这令我很心痛 and how they weren't showing Blacks, and that kind of hurt me.
所以我想做一些 具有影响力 非常强势的事情 So I wanted to do something that was so powerful, so strong
每个人都必须能看到它的传播 that everybody would have to show it.
我想要讲述一个强大的故事 But I wanted to tell a strong story.
这个故事必须让人信服 The story had to sell itself.
然而... 那些所谓的音乐视频却做不到这一点 And what... these so-called videos weren't doing that.
它们很糟糕 They were terrible.
它们只是把一堆毫无意义的东西拼凑在一起 只为了推销一首歌 They were just a lot of nothing put together just to sell a song.
我希望我做出来的能强有力 I wanted my things to be powerful.
我想让它能脱颖而出 I wanted to stand out from everything else
当你看到它时 你会跑到电视前 that when you see it, you run to the set
并黏在那里 全神贯注地看着它 and you're glued to it, watching it.
我想要质量 我想要卓越 I wanted quality. I wanted excellence.
我想要最好的 我要的是完美中的完美 I wanted the best. I wanted to perfect perfection.
关于迈克尔 我总能说的一点是 One thing that I can always say about Michael
在他这 你能感觉到一种文化的氛围 is that you felt like there was a sense of culture.
而这种文化跨度很大 它从百老汇这种... And the culture would span all the way from kind of like this Broadway,
再跨越到更戏剧化的世界 you know, more theatrical world,
一直延伸到另一种文化元素 and then there was this other element that was cultural,
就像真的黑帮一样 that was almost like gangsters.
你知道 当你看《避开》的时候 You know, when you look at "Beat It"
那个时代的人们会觉得 and the idea that the people of that era felt like,
哦 他在和我们说话 和我们在一起 "Oh, he's speaking to us and with us.
他与我们共舞 他在为我们创作音乐 He's rocking with us. He's making music for us.
我们可以跳他的音乐 We can dance to his music."
这是一个令人难以置信的决定 It was an incredible move to decide,
我们要在这个专辑上 放一首摇滚歌曲 "We're gonna have a rock and roll record on this thing."
《避开》是纯粹的摇滚 "Beat It" was straight up rock and roll.
迈克尔制作《避开》的想法是 Michael's idea with "Beat It"
让自己远离《墙外》的束缚 was to distance himself from Off the Wall,
摆脱舞蹈 迪斯科 from the dance, disco.
迈克尔想要有所突破 And Michael wanted to stretch.
创造性地拓展新领域 Creatively, he wanted to stretch.
他们希望这是一个跨界的成功 They wanted a crossover hit across the board.
摇滚 R&B 流行乐 Rock, R and B, pop.
他们叫我过去和迈克尔 还有昆西一起做… They called me to come in with Michael and Quincy to do the...
他们想走摇滚路线 我们就去做吧 They want to go rock and roll, let's do it.
所以.. 我所有的工作我都会全力以赴 You know, so I did it with all... you know, all-all that,
不断强化效果 让它听起来很强势 doubled it and made it sound huge.
然后我也在里面弹了贝斯 And then I played the bass on it as well.
我确实在那首歌里弹了贝斯 I did play bass on that record as well.
所以我和他们一起坐下来 打造出那个节奏 So I sat with them and made that swing,
当迈克尔在房间里开始跳舞时 and when Michael was dancing in the room,
我就觉得胜券在握了 I knew I was in the pocket.
当他创作《避开》的时候 When he wrote "Beat It,"
他说 "我想要一个吉他手 he said, "I want a kind of guitar player on here
能吸引年轻的白人青少年的男吉他手 that will attract young, white, teenage males."
艾迪·范·海伦 Eddie Van Halen.
他说 "那你想让我做什么" He said, "Well, what do you want me to do?"
昆西说 "我希望你做你自己 那就是你" And Quincy said, "Well, I want you to be you. That's you right there."
然后他指着那把著名的斯特拉特吉他 And he pointed to the famous, you know, Strat that he had.
他说 "我不会告诉你该弹什么 And he said, "I'm not gonna tell you what to play.
你尽情发挥吧" You go be you."
埃迪把这些独奏一个接一个地演奏出来 I mean, Eddie ripped these solos off one after the other.
我记得 好像听到了A演播室传来的声音 I remember, like, hearing the sound coming from Studio A,
他在那里演奏吉他独奏 where he was doing the-the solo.
声音太大了 It was so loud.
虽然...但是... I could... I just...
声音真的很响 It was just so loud.
布鲁斯·斯维迪恩和昆西一起剪完了那首独奏 很完美 Bruce Swedien and Quincy brilliantly edited that solo together.
我想 我之所以喜欢它 I mean, I think I probably just loved it
因为在那一刻 这段成为了 可能是所有歌中我最喜欢的部分 你懂吗 'cause, at that moment, it was probably everything that I ever loved in one song, you know?
我在搜索"卢卡瑟在《避开》中的节奏"花的时间 I've done way more time googling Lukather's tone on "Beat It"
比搜"艾迪·范·海伦的节奏"花的时间要多得多 Lukather's tone on "Beat It" than, um, Eddie Van Halen's,
因为这个节奏推动了整张唱片 这就是歌曲的主旋律 because it's the tone that drives the whole record-- that's the riff.
这是摇滚吉他在编程鼓上的完美搭配的方式 It's the perfect way that, like, a rock guitar could ever sit over programmed drums
就像 呈现一种放克的节奏 in a... in a... like, a funky groove.
我觉得他的MV太棒了 I thought his videos were incredible.
首先 这个家伙会跳舞 I mean, first off, the guy could dance.
我是说 只是呆在房间里 I mean, just being in the room,
当我们演奏的时候看着他跳舞 watching him groove while we're playing.
那个短片 That short film--
整部短片 you see, this whole movie,
是关于一场即将发生的大战 对吧 it's about a big fight that's about to happen, right,
两个对立的帮派之间的 对吧 between two rival gangs, right?
他看到了街头文化的价值 He saw value in street culture.
他想要尝试找到一种方法 He wanted to try to figure out a way
如何将其融入进来 而... on how to incorporate it, and...
而这一切的开端就是《避开》 and the beginning of it was "Beat It."
在那部短片中 你看到的人 既有舞者也有街头人物 The people that you see in that film are a mixture of dancers and street cats.
而且不仅如此 And not only that
实际上在片场 你能看到真正的黑帮分子 is that you actually had real gangsters on set.
就像真正的Bloods和Crips以及Vatos帮派 真的 Like, real Bloods and Crips and Vatos and all that, like, for real.
迈克尔和他的舞蹈具有一种魔力 There was such a magic in Michael and his movement.
有霹雳舞 那是在纽约流行的风格 You had B-boying that was going on in New York.
还有震感舞 有锁舞 You had popping and locking
那些在加州产生的 that was going down over here in California,
有Strutting 还有机械舞 这些都有 and strutting and-and robotting, all them.
所以那个在《避开》中 So the guy that's vibrating in the
带着眼镜的身体在振动的家伙其实是 "Beat It" short film with the... with the glasses on,
他的名字叫机器人戴恩 his name is Robot Dane.
这是美国有史以来的第一波街头舞蹈浪潮 This is the first ever street dance wave of the United States of America.
那个时候最相关的场景 The most relevant scene at the time,
无论是霹雳舞 或者是锁舞 which either was breakdancing, locking,
震感舞 电流舞 或者其他什么 popping, waving, whatever it might have been,
他都在推动界限 he's pushing the envelope forward,
他正在教给我们一些东西 he's teaching us some things,
他作为艺术家的身份告诉我们 但同时也是作为表演者 he's informing us as artists, but also, too, as performers,
他让我们知道 "哟 我想成为最拽的" he's letting us know that, "Yo, I want to be the baddest."
作为一个粉丝或评论家 As a fan or a critic,
你总是在寻找激动人心的时刻 you're always looking for breathtaking moments,
那种让你说 "我从未见过这样的事物 the time when you say, "I've never seen anything like that.
我可能再也不会看到这样的了” I'm probably not gonna see anything like that again."
摩城秀正是如此 The Motown show,
我认为那是整个《颤栗》制作过程中最重要的一步 that's what I think was the most important step in the whole Thriller process of
使他成为巨星 making him the superstar.
鲍勃·琼斯是摩城唱片公司的副总裁兼公关总监 Bob Jones was, uh, vice president of publicity at Motown.
他说 He says,
我们正在做一场摩城秀 "We're doing a Motown show."
我租了一件燕尾服 然后去看演出 I rented a tuxedo, and, uh, I went to the show.
人们都疯狂了 People just went crazy.
我当时在电视机前 I was home in front of the TV.
等着他带我们去那里 Waiting for him to take us there.
起初 我们不知道他要做什么 First, we didn't know what he was gonna do,
因为他是和他的兄弟们一起上台的 because he was up there with his brothers.
杰克逊其他兄弟下台了 The Jacksons leave,
兄弟们下台了 而迈克留在舞台上 the brothers leave, and Mike stays out there.
在观众席上 And in the audience,
你可以听到一些像 "接下来会发生什么" 这样的声音 you could hear just kind of like: "What's-what's getting ready to happen now?"
你知道 然后迈克开始说那些台词 And, you know, Mike goes through the whole...
"我喜欢那些老歌 总能勾起我美好的回忆" "Those were some great times. I love the-the old songs."
那些歌曲确实不错 You know, th-those were good songs.
我非常喜欢那些歌 I-I like those songs a lot,
但是我 尤其喜欢… but, especially, I like...
比利·简 "Billie Jean"!
这首新歌 the new songs.
然后就开始了 And then here comes
《比利·简》 "Billie Jean."
你能看到的《比利·简》的录像 The tape that you can see of "Billie Jean"
能看到观众席上大家的反应 and the stuff you see going on in the audience,
但它并没有完全捕捉到 在人群中发生的事情 it does not capture what was happening in that crowd.
这些人简直就是要疯了 These people were going absolutely berserk.
迈克简直是点燃了全场 Mike just turned it the fuck out.
我的意思是 他让整个演播厅沸腾了 I mean, he just laid a bomb on that room.
我参加了就在帕萨迪纳市政礼堂的那场演出 I was at that show at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium.
他的动作不一样了 他现在有自己的动作了 And he's moving different. He's got his own moves now.
他并不是在做 他在成长过程中学到的东西 He's not so much doing what-what he learned growing up,
他对此感到非常兴奋 and he was excited about it.
我们只是很高兴看到迈克尔·杰克逊的表演 We just was happy to see Michael Jackson perform, period.
没人预料到"月球漫步"的到来 Nobody seen the moonwalk coming.
他做了月球漫步 He does the moonwalk.
那晚简直激动人心 好吧 That's the breathtaking moment, okay?
演出结束后 我简直不敢相信 And after the show, I couldn't believe it.
我不得不去后台问别人 I had to go backstage and to ask somebody,
地板上是有特殊的装置吗 "Was there a special trick floor?
他是怎么做到的 How did he do that?"
你知道吗 这是真正改变时空的表演 You know, this was the performance that really changed space and time.
他的一些舞步 我们称之为打节拍 A few of his dances, we call 'em timekeepers.
他创造了一整套节拍"词汇表" And he created a whole vocabulary of timekeepers,
无论是通过他的臀部… whether it's with his hip...
或者通过他的... 这个部位 ...or with his... you know, his side,
-用脚踝跺脚 -没错 -stomping with the ankle. -That's right.
还有他会用脚跺脚 Or he'll stomp with the foot.
有了这些 你就可以唱歌了 With that, you can sing.
懂我意思吧 You see what I'm saying?
这看起来就像你在跳舞 And it looks like you're dancing.
-但你其实不是 -这是一个... -But you're really not. -It's an illu...
这是 这是一个小技巧 对不对 It's-it's a bit of a trick, right?
然后你...你走过来 到这里 And you go... you walk over here.
麦克风换到另一手 And switch the mic,
翻开外套 把手放在口袋里 flip the coat, put the hand in the pocket.
你可以在这里加很多小动作 或者别的... You could do a few things here and there that only...
只有对自己的歌曲了解足够透彻 你才能能这样 only you can do if you know your song and your music.
当你看到 You know, when you see
看到他在舞台上滑行或弹跳时 him glide across the floor or pop,
这种视觉效果很特别 it's a special effect.
他在舞蹈中看到了魔力 He saw magic in that dance.
看看这个 这个表演的每一帧 Look at that-- if you pause each moment,
都是一个标志性的形象 it's an iconic silhouette.
帽子啊 手臂 还有... It's the hat, it's the arms, it's the...
还有在腿上的轻拍 it's the tapping of the leg.
对吧 还有踢腿 Right? The kick.
当我们看到一个黑人踮起脚尖 To see a Black man standing on his toes,
我们看到了这个画面 但却没有意识到 seeing that and not being conscious of it
这会影响到未来每一代 黑种人 黄种人 白种人 has made generations of Black, brown, white,
无论是什么肤色的孩子们都会觉得一切皆有可能 whatever color kids feel like anything was possible.
它的影响力比我们想象和认知的都要大 It's bigger than I think we, uh, think and acknowledge.
迈克表演完后 After Mike finished,
制片人不得不拿起麦克风说 the producer had to get on the microphone and say,
女士们 先生们 拜托 拜托 "Ladies and gentlemen, please, please,
请不要四处走动 马上回到座位 gather yourselves and take your seats.
我们还有更多节目等着呢 We have more show to tape.
还会有更多的表演 There's much more show coming."
人们花了一分钟缓过神来 男人们重新整理好领带 And it took a minute for people to get their ties back together
而女人们重新戴上假发 and the women to put their wigs back on.
好吧 我有一个问题要问你 Okay, I have one question for you.
当时是哪位不幸的艺术家接替了他上场呢 Who was the unfortunate artist who had to come on
那我不记得了 I don't remember.
我认为那是他从组合脱颖而出的重要时刻 I think that was the moment that he had his breakout moment from the... from the group.
那首歌《比利·简》 That song, "Billie Jean,"
以及那个晚上 他的表演方式 and the way he performed it on that night
设立了巨星该有的标准 set the standard of what it was to be a megastar.
演出结束后的第二天 弗雷德·阿斯泰尔打电话到我家 The next day after the show, Fred Astaire called my house.
他说 "我昨晚看了你的演出 He said, "I saw the show last night.
我录了下来 今天早上我看了两遍 I taped it. I watched it twice this morning."
他说 "你太了不起了 And he said, "You were incredible.
你真是个出色的舞者 你简直把他们甩了一条街" You're a hell of a mover, and you really put them on their ASS," he said.
我说 "天哪 谢谢你 And I said, "God, thank you.
你这么说 真是太好了 It's so wonderful for you to say that,
因为我觉得你是最棒的" 'cause I think you're the best."
能得到像他这么厉害的人的肯定 也是我的收获 And that was my r-reward, 'cause I think he's brilliant.
对于古典舞者来说 To a classical dancer,
你要注意你的线条 以及衔接的动作 it's about your line, it's about the shapes that you're-you're making.
迈克尔就是这么做的 And Michael does that.
对我来说 这与科班出身的舞者非常相似 That, to me, is very similar to a trained dancer,
尽管他没有接受过专业训练 even though he wasn't trained.
他会是理想的芭蕾舞演员 He would've been the ideal ballet dancer.
他身体的比例很好 The proportions of his body.
他身材匀称 修长 而且就像... He was lean, uh, and long, um, and just had, like,
就像他天生就会自然的舞动 a natural instinct when he moved.
但是... 但是对动作的把控又如此到位 But there... but there was such precision and clarity.
他是个完美主义者 He was a perfectionist,
而这就是舞者的特质 and that's what dancers are.
你知道如果你没有对此充满激情和热爱 那你就不愿意付出心血 You know, you don't commit that type of time and sacrifice your body, the injury, all of those things,
去磨练你的身体啊 忍受痛苦 等等 if you don't have the passion for it and the love for it.
这些都解释了 迈克尔 And all of that sums up Michael
为什么能成为一个舞者 表演者 艺术家 as a dancer, as a performer, as an artist.
迈克尔·杰克逊并没有在短片里发明新舞步 Michael Jackson didn't invent dancing on film,
但他有着独特的融合 but his particular synthesis
一方面来自于是尼古拉斯兄弟 of the Nicholas Brothers on one hand
鲍伯·佛西 阿斯泰尔 震感舞 锁舞 月球漫步 and Bob Fosse, Astaire, popping, locking, moonwalking
从来没有人像他那样 把这些元素加在一起 No one had ever put those elements together before like that.
你可以看到他通过MV来诠释 比如 You can see it all the way through from
《比利·简》《避开》和《颤栗》 "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" and "Thriller,"
甚至他们都影响到了其他艺人 all the way through to all of these other artists.
比如MC Hammer的《你不能碰这个》 Look at MC Hammer, "U Can't Touch This."
还有亚瑟小子和贾斯汀·汀布莱克 Then you go forward to, like, Usher and Justin Timberlake.
再一直到现在的贾斯汀·比伯 And then you go farther forward to Justin Bieber,
豆荚猫 火星哥 Doja Cat, Bruno Mars.
迈克尔一直在被效仿 Michael is emulated.
如果你看BTS 你就能感受到 If you look at BTS, you can see it.
我完全迷上了BTS I'm all in with BTS.
我喜欢那些家伙 I love those guys.
他们每个动作都充满了迈克尔·杰克逊的影子 Every move they do is all Michael Jackson.
迈克尔创造了这一切 Michael created that.
整个韩流风潮 The entire K-pop wave,
他们在舞台服装 音乐MV和舞台艺术 全方面向迈克尔学习过 they've all studied Michael in terms of stage clothes, video clothes and stagecraft.
BTS有个很棒的MV There's a great video if you watch BTS.
有很多迈克尔·杰克逊的元素 There's a lot of Michael Jackson.
你可以从他们的舞蹈中看出来 You see it in their dancing.
所以 在整个K-pop风潮 So, the entire K-pop movement,
他们都是这个浪潮的一份子 they're students of the game.
再比如说一些千禧一代的嘻哈艺术家 You can look at a number of millennial hip-hop artists--
Polo G就是其中之一 Polo G being one of them--
23 24岁 来自芝加哥 23, 24 years old, from Chicago,
他对迈克尔·杰克逊非常着迷 yet he's very much in trance with Michael Jackson
他在他的音乐中使用迈克尔·杰克逊的音乐 还有形象 and he uses Michael Jackson music and imagery in some of his music.
那天晚上 我只是四处兜风 It was just a night I was riding around,
我坐在我的车里 我只是在听着 I was riding in my car, and I was just listening
迈克尔·杰克逊的采访 to Michael Jackson interviews.
我没在听音乐 I wasn't listening to music.
我只是在听他的采访 I was just listening to his interviews.
然后我突然产生了一个想法 And I just came up with this idea, like,
我想 也许我应该做首歌还有曲子 maybe I should do, uh, this song and this instrumental
让所有人都摸不着头脑 and just really mess everybody head up
因为我知道 他们不会指望一个年轻艺术家做出这种作品 'cause I know they wouldn't be expecting that from a young artist.
因为我记得我奶奶有张和这一模一样的专辑 'Cause I remember my grandma had this same exact album.
还有我姨妈 也就是我奶奶的女儿 My auntie, who was her daughter,
她是迈克尔·杰克逊的忠实粉丝 she was a big Michael Jackson fan,
所以她总是让我们听MJ的歌 so she always had us listening to him.
所以我记得她有这张专辑 So I remember her having this one exactly.
这真挺疯狂的 It's pretty wild.
这说明 迈克尔创造的形象有多么强大 It says how powerful the imagery that Michael created was.
在《颤栗》中 On Thriller,
他在不断变化 你知道吗 his life was evolving, you know,
他的声音处理方式也不同了 and his vocal approach was different.
有普通歌手 也有风格派歌手 There's vocalists, and there's stylists.
风格派必胜 Style wins.
因为 当你听这种歌手唱歌 When you can hear a person sing
你能在最初的几个小节中 就认出他是谁 and recognize them fr-from the first couple bars,
你能掌握 一些特别的点 you know you got something special.
他们有一种独特的音调 They have a special tone,
独特的嗓音 还有独特的表达方式 a special voice, a special delivery.
现在 迈克尔拥有所有这些 Now, Michael had all of that.
就像他 热爱跳舞和热爱表演一样 In just the way he loved to dance and he loved to perform
他把所有 他擅长的旋律 he turned all of that melody that he was so great with
转化为了有节奏的旋律 into percussive melody.
他就是这么做的 他会唱鼓的部分 Well, that's what he did. He would sing drum parts.
他还会唱贝斯线 He would sing bass lines.
他会… 全都是凭借他的节奏感完成 He would, uh... all with his rhythmic inflections.
我们称之为 "人形架子鼓" We call it "drums in your mouth."
他会Beatbox 他是一个出色的Beatboxer He would beatbox. He was an amazing beatboxer.
但他会在Beatbox的基础上加入旋律并唱歌 But beatbox with melody and sing, you know,
不仅仅是Beatbox not just beatboxing.
他会将旋律与之融合 He would, you know, integrate melody with it.
你可以在《避开》上听出来这一点 And you can hear it on "Beat It," you know,
就是他对付每一处音节的方式 just the way he would attack each syllable.
我想起 他所有的旋律和歌曲 I think of all of his melodies and his songs,
它们都是非常有节奏感的 and they're completely percussive.
我的意思是 它们的节奏非常引人入胜 I mean, they're incredibly rhythmically hooky,
你知道 所有那些歌曲 所有他创作的歌曲 and, you know, all those songs, and the songs that he wrote
都有这些非常激进的断奏节奏 have these very aggressive staccato rhythms.
就像《比利·简》和《想要挑起事端》 I feel like "Billie Jean" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin',"
它们真的很短促而有力 they're really short and stabby.
它们总是 就像… 有一点点 就像 They're always, like... there's a tiny bit of, like,
在他唱歌和创作的方式中有一丝丝愤怒和蔑视 anger and, like, contempt in the way that he's singing and writing.
最伟大的灵魂歌手 并不害怕感受音乐 The greatest soul singers are not afraid to feel the music,
跟随着音乐的指引去创作 Just do what the music tells them to do.
所有那些新一代的歌手 所有那些正在录制和即兴创作的萌新歌手 For all the new cats, all the new-school cats that are going on record and ad-libbing,
他们就像... and they say, like...
不好意思 迈克尔早就玩过这些了 I'm sorry, Michael did that first.
不信 给你瞧瞧 I'll prove it to you.
不过 他为什么在歌曲上打"哈欠"呢 Why was he yawning on a record, though?
这透漏出他很自由 It shows the freedom
他在录音室里别提多舒服了 and how comfortable he felt in the studio
不用担心别人的评判 without worrying about people's judgment
比如 "啊 那是什么" or, like, "Yo, what's that?"
因为你知道 他正在展示非常牛逼的技能 Because you know he was bringing the freaking skills.
你知道 他带着超高的才华和想象力 You knew he was bringing ultra talent and imagination,
对他来说就像 "你知道吗 for him to be like, "You know what?
我想在这里打个哈欠" I feel like yawning right here."
我不知道那到底是什么 我不知道... I-I don't know what that one is. I don't know what...
我不知道...但是我喜欢它 I don't... but I love it.
我在听他的即兴创作 And I'm listening to his ad-libs.
他所做的这些 He's doing all that...
他在做这些有节奏感的东西 He's doing all this rhythmic stuff.
迈克尔对自己想要的东西 有着清晰的愿景 Michael had such a clear vision of what he wanted,
而昆西 他十分清楚谁想要与谁合作 and Quincy, he knows who wanted to work with each other.
有很多项目同时进行 There's a number of things going on.
有《避开》 We have "Beat It,"
由杰夫·波卡罗在Sunset Sound录制鼓声 drums being done by Jeff Porcaro at Sunset Sound;
史蒂夫·卢卡瑟在Westlake的B录音室 Steve Lukather in Studio B at Westlake;
昆西和布鲁斯在A录音室 Studio A, Quincy and Bruce.
昆西在A和B录音室之间来回穿梭 不断穿过走廊 Quincy's going back and forth between A and B, across the hallway.
然后还有《外星人》故事书专辑 Then you add the E.T. storybook album,
然后...然后一切都变得很复杂 and-and then... then it's just a lot going on.
昆西和史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格成了朋友 Quincy had become friends with Steven Spielberg.
我记得有一天... 史蒂文在工作之余 And I remember one day he... Steven invited Quincy
邀请昆西到他拍摄《ET外星人》的片场 down to the set when he was working on E.T.
当时"外星人"也在那里 And, uh, E.T. was there,
还有"外星人"的操纵人员 也在那里 and the guys who were operating it at the time were there.
我觉得应该是在交谈的过程中 And I think somewhere in the course of it,
史蒂文对昆西说 "你知道吗 Steven had said to Quincy, said, "You know,
我想录制… 我想我们应该一起做一张唱片" "I want to do a rec... we should do a record of some sort."
所以 我想昆西当时可能找到了迈克尔 然后说 So Quincy, I think, came to Michael and-and said,
史蒂文想让我们做《外星人》故事书专辑 "Steven wants us to do the E.T. storybook album,"
专辑中 迈克尔将讲述《外星人》的故事 where Michael would narrate the story of E.T.
同时他会为这张专辑写歌并亲自演唱 and Michael would write and sing a song for the album.
迈克尔本身也是他的狂热粉丝 And Michael was a big fan, too,
所以他 "昆西 咱开干吧" so, "Quincy, let's do this."
于是在他们在制作《颤栗》的同时 开始了那个项目 So they started doing it in the midst of doing Thriller.
我一直以来很喜欢电影 I've always loved film, and, uh,
我们正在进行一个项目 we're talking, in the stage of doing, uh,
涉及昆西·琼斯和我 还有史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格 Quincy Jones and myself and Steven Spielberg,
我们在讨论并进行这个项目 uh, working on a project.
问题在于没有人打电话给沃尔特·耶特尼科夫 并解决版权问题 The problem is nobody bothered to call Walter Yetnikoff and clear the right
因为这张专辑是由环球MCA唱片公司发行的 because the album was going out on Universal MCA's label.
我永远不会忘记 有一天 我参加了一个会议 I'll never forget, uh, one day, I was at a-a meeting
我接到一个电话 我拿起电话 and I get a call, so I get on the phone
沃尔特说 "告诉迈克尔 不要再吻那个怪物了" and Walter says, "Tell Michael to stop kissing the monster."
"沃尔特 你在说什么" "Walter, what are you talking about?"
"别吻怪物了" "Stop kissing the monster!"
如果你看看《外星人》故事书专辑 So, if you look at the E.T. storybook album,
迈克尔搂着外星人 Michael's got his arm around E.T.
他们就像好朋友一样 这就是沃尔特所指的 They're like pals, and that's what Walter was talking about.
这不仅仅是一张专辑 It wasn't just an album.
还有一整套附带海报和一张迈克尔和外星人的照片 It was a whole box set with posters and a picture of Michael with E.T.
因此 沃尔特对MCA和环球提出了禁令 So Walter filed an injunction against, uh, MCA and Universal
并迫使他们从商店中撤回这张专辑 and made them take the album out of the stores.
但是都已经发行了 并且大受欢迎 It was already shipped. It was already a huge hit.
他们不得不收回专辑 They had to pull the album back.
Epic很不高兴 他们觉得这在某种程度上拖慢了他们的唱片 Epic wasn't happy, and they felt it was sort of holding up their record,
也就是《颤栗》专辑 the-the Thriller record.
是的 他们起诉了 Yeah, they sued, you know.
"不 你不能抢我们的艺人..." "No, you can't have our artist, da-da-da-da-da."
你知道的 而且沃尔特本来就好打官司 You know, and Walter was litigious anyway,
所以他... 他上了法庭 而且尽力了 and so he-he went... he went in hard.
而MCA也做出了强硬回应 And MCA responded hard,
就像这样 情况变得一团糟 and it was, you know, all hell broke loose.
他说 "约翰 他在生我的气吗" And he said, "John, is he mad at me?"
我说 "你觉得呢 沃尔特" I said, "What do you think, Walter?"
你刚刚起诉了他和史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格 还有昆西·琼斯 "You-you just sued him and Steven Spielberg and Quincy Jones,
你居然在想… 在想他会不会生你的气吗 and you wonder you're wondering if he's mad at you?"
他说 "那我应该怎么补救啊" And he goes, "What can I do to make it up?"
然后我就说 "你把他的主唱片的所有权让给他 And I said, "You give him the owner ownership of his master recordings:
《墙外》《颤栗》以及未来所有的音乐 Off the Wall, Thriller and everything to come."
他说 "成交" And he said, "Done."
在合同期间 又重新获得你的唱片所有权 To get your masters back in the middle of a contract,
我觉得这种事情是史无前例的 I don't think had ever, ever happened.
罗德带着他的歌来了 Rod came with his songs.
迈克尔也有他的歌 Michael had his songs.
这些歌如果不错 那他们没白费功夫 And if those worked, they worked.
要是不怎么样 就只能寻找别的作品了 If they didn't, they-they went looking elsewhere.
《旋转木马》是首很棒的歌 "Carousel" was a great song,
幸运或不幸的是 你知道的 and fortunately or unfortunately, you know,
在这张专辑里 只有容纳一种"情感" 就是 there was only room on the album for one mood like,
就像《旋转木马》和《人之本性》一样 for one mood like, uh, "Carousel" or-or "Human Nature,"
而我们不得不做出选择 选择了《人之本性》 and "Human Nature" was the choice we had to make, you know.
托托当时可是个大牌 Toto was big at that time.
当时托托很火 我很喜欢他 Toto, who I just adored,
我们合作过很多次 他们给我们寄来了两个小样 we worked together a lot, and, um, they sent over two demos
他们认为这两首歌适合迈克尔 that they thought would be right for Michael,
然后当时 整个房间 and all of a sudden, there's...
突然间 变得一片寂静 at the end, there was all this silence.
然后样曲放着 放着... And then it said... it said...
我跟你讲 我... And-and I tell you, I get...
每次说起这件事我就起鸡皮疙瘩 I get goose bumps just talking about it.
我说 "这到底是什么" 你懂吗 And I said, "What the hell is that?" You know?
这就是《旋转木马》落选的原因 That's what took "Carousel" out.
我说 "这才是我们想要的" I said, "This is where we want to go,"
因为那首歌听起来有一种美妙的风格 'cause it's got such a... a-a wonderful flavor.
我告诉你们 I'll tell you what.
今晚 我想表演 Tonight, I want to do...
我最喜欢的歌曲之一 one of my favorite songs.
一起唱 Everybody sing!
一直萦绕在我心头的那首歌是《人之本性》 The song that always haunts me is "Human Nature."
多美的旋律啊 What a beautiful record.
这是 那种你只能说 "我真希望 我能参与制作那张唱片" 的歌曲 That's one of those records that you just say, "I wish I would've did that record."
对于我来说 这就是 我是否喜爱一首歌的标准 And that always, for me, is the test of if I love it or not.
我记得在录音室的一次经历 I remember one experience in the studio,
这张专辑的作者之一 罗德·坦普尔顿 Rod Temperton, one of the writers on the album,
他说 "迈克尔 如果这张专辑里只有三首热门歌曲 and he said, "Michael, if you only had three hits of this album,
你会不会感到满意 Would you not be happy?"
我说 "我会很生气" I said, "I'd be very angry."
然后大家都笑了起来 And they all started laughing.
我说 "我希望这张专辑能有八首热门歌曲 I said, "I expect eight hits off of this album.
甚至九个 全部" Nine, all of 'em."
我就是这样想的 不好意思 That is how I am. I'm sorry.
而且我的态度一直都是这样 追求更多 永远不满足 And my attitude was always reaching out for more. Never being satisfied.
此时此刻 我正在录制我的第五首热门单曲 And right at this very moment, I'm on my fifth hit record. Five.
《人之本性》排在第十位 "Human Nature" is number ten.
我还打破了 以前从未有过的记录 And I've broken a record that has never been done before
一张专辑有五首热门歌曲 five hit songs for one album.
一直追求更多 努力追求卓越 Always reaching out for more, striving for excellence.
这非常引人入胜 It's so engaging
因为构思的理念 是让每个人都参与到其中 because the idea was to have something for everyone.
有一首歌我之前并不太了解 There was a song that I didn't really know too much about
叫做《星光》 that was called "Starlight,"
这是罗德·坦普顿写的一首迪斯科歌曲 and it was a disco song that Rod Temperton wrote.
你知道 这首歌真的是从这里的 You know, so it really evolved from
1:18这个地方演变而来的 this click here at 1:18.
所以 好的 我们铺好了节拍 And so, okay, we lay the click down,
构思是 "让我们录制一个全新版本 and the idea was: "Let's put it... let's put a new version down.
我们放一些音轨 听听看效果是如何 Let's put some tracks down and see where it goes."
所以我们从这个鼓点开始 So we-we started with this drumbeat.
四拍一拍 有点舞曲的感觉 Four on the floor, kind of dance song.
然后是... 背景节奏 And then... backbeat.
拍手声在第四拍 Claps on the four.
然后踩镲部分是这样的 And then the hi-hat part was like this.
五 六 七 八 Five, six, seven, eight.
然后是嚓片 And then open hat.
有感觉了 There we go.
然后是牛铃声 And then the cowbell.
这就对了 Here we go.
还有一件事就是 迈克尔和昆西好像对 So, another thing about Michael and Quincy is they like kind of like
对音感的把握很到位 a little bit of a feel to the music.
一开始节奏很单调 So, this is straight time.
之后我们加一点切分的节奏 And then we add a little bit of shuffle to it
这些节奏让这首歌流动了起来 就像这样 so it just kind of pushes it a little bit like that.
于是加了进来 So it's in.
然后贝斯线最终变成了一种... And then the bass line ended up being kind of like a...
一种我从未预料到的感觉 something I never would have expected,
有点拉丁舞的节奏 就像... like a little bit of a Latin rhythm, like...
我觉得听起来像康加舞 然后... Which sounded like a conga line to me, but...
还有 这个开场 And there was the-the opening.
用所有录制的音轨去制作《颤栗》歌曲混音 是我一生中最有趣的制作之一 Just layering all the parts to "Thriller" was one of the most fun sessions I've ever done in my life.
24岁时 迈克尔已经 At 24, Michael had become more
不仅仅是一位出色的歌手 舞蹈家 作词家 than a master singer, dancer, songwriter.
他是一个深不可测的超级营销者 He was a super salesman of his own mystique.
迈克尔对征服世界的热情是独一无二的 Michael's passion for world conquest was singular.
他的生活态度 气场 作息 理想 谈吐 He lived, breathed, slept, dreamt and spoke
都是他获得成功的必备因素 of nothing but number one successes.
《颤栗》连续几个月位居榜首 Thriller stayed number one for months.
然而 在它取得空前成功的漫长时期中 In the long period of its unprecedented success, however,
当它偶尔在一两周里 跌至第二名时 when it occasionally fell to second place for a week or two,
迈克尔慌了 Michael panicked.
他会歇斯底里地斥责我 Hysterical, he'd berate me
说我没有推动足够的宣传 for failing to pump up the promotion.
我说 "我在努力推动 迈克尔" "I'm pumping, Michael," I'd say.
我向你保证 我绝对在努力 "I promise you I'm pumping."
而我确实尽力了 And I was.
在《颤栗》卖出了大约三四百万张后 After Thriller had sold about three or four million copies,
中午12点左右 我接到了个电话 I got a call about 12 noon.
电话那头是唱片公司 他们说 On the phone was the record company saying,
"嘿 听着 如果你不忙的话 "Hey, listen, if you're not busy,
我们现在需要你过来一趟" we need you to get over here right now."
迈克尔将被颁发一块关于《颤栗》专辑的奖牌 Michael was going to be presented a plaque for the Thriller record.
然后我们就在想 那还犹豫啥呢 And we were wondering, why were we waiting?
简·方达也来了 In came Jane Fonda.
简 Jane?
我爱迈克尔 我很钦佩他 I love Michael, and I admire him.
他是我唯一认识的那种 He's the only person I know
写的歌能陪你做梦 伴你跳舞 让你热爱 还有健身的音乐创作者 that writes music that you can dream to and dance to and love to and work out to.
我会听着他的音乐 做这些 And I do all of 'em to it.
来吧 迈克尔 Come here, Michael.
回顾过去 我现在才完全明白他当时在做什么 In retrospect, I know exactly what he was doing.
他也明白让一个大牌的白人明星来给他颁奖的重要性 He understood the importance of having a big white star giving him this plaque.
迈克尔在流行榜上 有一首冠军单曲 Michael has a number one single on the pop charts,
而且还有一张冠军专辑 number one album on the pop charts,
在R&B榜上 也有一首冠军单曲和一张冠军专辑 number one single on the R and B charts, number one album on the R and B charts.
我认为这是... And I think that starts...
这算是一个历史性的记录 that's sort of an historic record.
但我认为 我们一直到《颤栗》音乐短片发布之前 But I don't think we understood where it was gonna go until
都不知道接下来会怎么发展 the "Thriller" video came out.
就唱片公司而言 As far as the record company
他们认为这张专辑已经完成了它的销售周期 was concerned, the album cycle was done.
他们对卖出的销量很兴奋 They were thrilled with whatever it sold,
而迈克尔说 "不 还没完 我们… 我们还要更多" and Michael said, "No, no, we're gonna... we got more."
《颤栗》比这张专辑上其他所有的歌曲 "Thriller," of all the songs on the album,
似乎更适合 用视频 不 实际上是电影的形式 来呈现更多 Seems like you can do much more video-wise, no, movie-wise than any of the songs
比其他歌都合适 than any of the songs
因为这首歌有个故事线和视觉效果 'cause of the story and all the visuals
还有怪物之类的 and monsters and stuff.
于是我萌生了一个想法 And so I came up with an idea
想尝试让自己变成另一种生物 of thinking that I really want to change,
比如 变成怪物什么的 metamorphosis into some other creature.
我看过《美国狼人在伦敦》 I saw American Werewolf In London.
我真心喜欢 I really liked it.
我打听 "谁是这个片子的导演" And and I said, "Who's the director who did it?"
他们说 "约翰·兰迪斯 约翰·兰迪斯" And they said, "John Landis, John Landis."
我说 "太好了 找的就是他" I said, "Great. That's who we got to get."
我催促着 "赶紧联系他" So I said, "Get in touch with him."
我接到一个电话 那边说 So I get this call, and he says,
"我是迈克尔·杰克逊" 我在想... "Michael Jackson," and I really thought...
"是那个杰克逊五兄弟的小迈克尔·杰克逊?" "Little Michael Jackson of The Jackson 5?"
我当时觉得"他还是个小孩" 你知道吧 I mean, I thought, "He's a kid," you know?
他告诉我 他有首歌《颤栗》 And he told me he had a song, "Thriller,"
他想让我帮他拍个视频 and he wanted me to make a video.
我说 "为什么" And I said, "Why?"
他哥哥曾在车上给他看了 His brother showed him on the bus
《美国狼人》的录像带 也许是为了吓唬他 the tape of American Werewolf, I think to scare him,
但他特别喜欢《美国狼人在伦敦》 but he loved American Werewolf in London.
很显然 他对瑞克·贝克的作品很痴迷 And he was obviously fascinated with Rick Baker's work.
所以他打电话给我说 And so he called me and said,
我想变成一个怪物 你可以帮我吗 "I want to turn into a monster. Will you do it?"
唱片公司不会愿意为此报销 And the record label wouldn't pay for it.
然后 我们还聊了聊 我说 And, uh... and we talked, and I said,
迈克尔 你得明白 你用不着为此花钱 "Michael, you know, you shouldn't pay for this.
你也用不着自掏腰包" You shouldn't pay for it yourself."
他说 "布兰卡 那想想办法" And he said, "Branca, figure it out."
没有人希望他做这个事 Nobody wanted him to do this.
这完全是他自己的 主意 This was entirely his own thing.
其他人不想干涉 包括他的手下和唱片公司 And everybody else, his people and the record company--
说 "下一张专辑再说" said, "Next album. Let's...
我们都已经准备好了... 迈克尔 哈喽 We've already... Michael, hello.
这可是有史以来最成功的专辑 我们在想… It's the most successful album of all time. We want..."
所以他们认为《颤栗》有点超预算了 So they thought "Thriller" was outrageous.
它的预算是120万美元 Its budget was $1.2 million dollars.
而当时 音乐录影带的平均预算 That's at a time when the average music video budget
也不过5万美元 was only $50,000 dollars.
所以我当时... 回到办公室想了想 So I went... I went back to the office and thought about it.
然后我我想到了制作花絮的主意 And I thought up this idea of a making-of.
我去找MTV和Showtime Went to MTV and Showtime,
而且迈克尔当时地球上最大的明星 and Michael was the biggest thing on the planet.
我说 "我们会给你迈克尔下一个音乐录影带的制作花絮 And I said, "We'll give you a making of Michael's next video.
而我们需要120万美元" We need a million two."
然后他们回来后 答应了 And they came back, and they said yes.
我们想要把制作电影短片的工序重新运用到 We're trying to bring back the motion picture shorts,
我们将要做的项目《颤栗》里 which we will do with, uh... with "Thriller."
很多人都说"视频" 我讨厌用"视频"这个词 A lot of the videos-- I hate to use the word "video"
因为我喜欢把它当成一部电影 'cause I like to think of it as a film, which it is
我们在拍的是一部短片 其他人拍的一言难尽 we're doing a short film a lot of 'em are so terrible.
我想让《颤栗》和《避开》成为一种催化剂 And I wanted "Thriller" and "Beat It" to be a stimulant
促使人们制作更精良的视频或短片 for people to make better videos or short films.
我很想这么做 是因为我喜欢看MTV I really did, 'cause, I mean, I love MTV, watching it.
我觉得这很不错 You know, I think it's great,
但我看过很多乐色 我都不喜欢 but a lot of stuff I see, I'm not so crazy about.
他想在短片里变身... He wanted to turn into a...
首先 是一个狼人 at first, a-a wolf man,
就像美国狼人里的那个狼人一样 like the werewolf in American Werewolf.
他渴望在镜头前他变成一个怪物 His desire was to turn into a monster on camera.
最开始我们把主角定成 We had the character turn into
一只来自地狱的四条腿的猎犬... a four-legged hound from hell, a...
也就是 一只野兽 you know, a beast.
迈克尔想这么做 但我告诉他 And Michael wanted to do that, and I told him,
"迈克尔 这太难了 "Michael, it would be so difficult
让你用四条腿跳舞 for you to dance with four legs,
道具师不得累死 you know, and for the puppeteers.
不 No.
所以这个造型 So then it was gonna be
肯定得是我们熟知的那种狼人造型 more of a traditional wolf man character.
瑞克·贝克设计了一个初版造型 很不错 And Rick Baker did the first design, and it was great
但也的确很吓人 but truly terrifying.
我说 "啊 无所谓了 反正让他 And I said, "Aah! Whatever we have him
必须能吸引到观众的目光" turn into, he's got to be attractive."
恐怖 但是... Scary but...
又带有一点帅气 和优雅 kind of cool and elegant, you know?
所以他的第二个设计 是一个"猫型人" So his second design, he made him that "were-cat,"
而这是一个更加优雅的造型 and it's a much more graceful design.
你还好吗 Are you all right?
快走 Go away!
迈克尔·杰克逊是一个非常瘦小的人 Michael Jackson was a very slight person.
99磅 瘦透了 99 pounds soaking wet.
那么 你如何在荧幕上塑造他的形象呢 So, how do you develop a presence on screen?
对于《颤栗》这部短片 本来应该是 For "Thriller," you know, it was supposed to be
具有讽刺味的青少年恐怖片 a satire of a teenage horror film,
所以他穿着一件学生夹克 so he's in a letterman's jacket.
然后 他在电影院穿着那件红色夹克 And then, with his red jacket for that theater,
我尝试去打造一个形象 I was trying to create a silhouette
让他 性感 阳刚 让人印象深刻 that was sexy, masculine, impressive,
以及...让他在银幕上举足轻重 and... and gave him weight on screen.
最后 看在迈克尔如此痴迷于怪物 So, with Michael's fascination with monsters,
我说 "行吧 那你会变成两个怪物 I said, "Well, you'll become two monsters.
你会变成狼人 You'll become a werewolf,"
然后我们决定再弄一个跳舞的僵尸 就加上了僵尸 and then when we decided on dancing zombies, a zombie.
有点无厘头 但谁在乎呢 Doesn't make sense, but who cares?
其实 这只是一场幻想 You know, it's a fantasy.
他非常享受化妆的过程 And he really enjoyed the process of the makeup,
而且也非常喜欢戴上这些妆造 and he really enjoyed wearing the makeup.
大多数演员不喜欢化妆 而他例外 Most actors hate it, and he loved it.
他很有精气神 迈克 He's so dynamic, Mike,
他有强大的魄力和魅力 and he has such power and such charm.
正如我所见 也只是我看到的 比如 As I had seen it, just looking at, you know,
《你能感觉到吗》和其他我看过的 "Can You Feel It" and everything I saw,
我会想 "为什么他不性感一点呢" it's like, "Why isn't he being sexual?"
因为他是个摇滚明星 I mean, he's a rock star.
所以对我来说 首要之事就是 So one of the first things for me was
找一个女孩 来衬托他的性感 I wanted a girl to make him sexy
同时... and to also...
让她在剧情里对他痴迷 to be gaga in love with him.
这个女孩要有明亮的眼神 The big eyes, you know.
我见过一百多个女演员 And I saw over a hundred actresses
有舞者啊 各种各样的人 and dancers and all kinds of people.
当欧拉进来的时候 And when Ola came in,
首先 她迫不及待地渴望着与迈克尔·杰克逊在一起 one, she was desperate, desperate to be with Michael Jackson,
而且她非常可爱 and she was adorable.
变成"狼人"的迈克尔·杰克逊 并不是迈克尔·杰克逊 Michael Jackson isn't Michael Jackson as a werewolf.
他戴上面具完全变成了另一个人 Michael Jackson is another person totally with the mask.
然后你知道 他非常地害羞 And I like, you know, when he's so shy.
我有些事想告诉你 I have something I want to tell you.
唯一一次我真心 The only time I really
向他解释了一些事情 explained something to him,
我说 "你知道吗 迈克尔 我想让你知道 I said, "You know, Michael, I want you to know
当你说'我不像其他人'的时侯...” when you say, 'I'm not like other guys'..."
我不像其他人 I'm not like other guys.
"这会让人发笑" "it will get a laugh."
他一脸困惑他说 "为什么会引人发笑" And he was clueless. He said, "Why would this get a laugh?"
我就说 "因为你和其他人不一样" I said, "Because you're not like other guys."
但至少他有所准备 因为这句话让大家哄堂大笑 But at least he was prepared, 'cause it got a huge laugh
随后... 他也跟着我们一块笑 and, uh... and so he was in on it.
如果不让他知道为啥这么好笑 他会很难过的 You know, I think he would have been terribly upset otherwise.
从影片的一开始 From the beginning of the film,
在剧院里面 going to the theater,
然后你们走出来 then you're walking out,
然后迈克尔与奥拉·雷进行的那种猫捉老鼠般的漫步 And then Michael has that cat-and-mouse sort of, uh, walk that he's doing with Ola Ray.
是不是一种致敬经典音乐剧的手法呢 That's like an ode back to, uh, classic, uh, musicals, right?
猫鼠游戏 那种感觉 是吧 The cat-and-mouse chase.
然后就是 那个男人 开始对女人进行挑逗之类的 Then, you know, the man playing up to the woman and all that.
这里是个平移镜头 And it's a dolly shot.
我说 "迈克 这就是我们想要做的 And I said, "Mike, here's what we're gonna do.
只要欧拉能保持节奏 As long as Ola could keep the beat,
你就继续唱歌词 you do those lyrics,
你不能离她太远 超过这么多英尺 you can never be more than this many feet away from her."
服装设计师和时装设计师之间的一个重要区别是 The big difference between a costume designer and a fashion designer is,
对于我们来说 一切都取决于剧情 for us, it's all about dramatic context.
那么 两主角在什么环境呢 So, where are they gonna be?
他们在一个小巷和一个电影院里 They're gonna be in an alley and a movie theater.
那他们在干嘛呢 And what are they doing?
他们在约会 迈克尔要稍微 They're on a date, and Michael is gonna
俏皮一点 带一点诱惑力 be playful and be seductive.
她穿着蓝色的衣服 She's dressed in blue.
她很酷 She's cool.
她很放松 穿着牛仔裤 She's relaxed. She's in jeans.
而且她衣服上带一点豹纹图案 They did have a leopard print on them,
而且 紧身牛仔裤 小夹克 but, you know, tight jeans, little jacket.
她简直再迷人不过了 She couldn't have been cuter.
我认为对于观众来说 I think, to the audience,
她的穿着和态度 with what she's wearing and her attitude,
她散发出气场的能让观众满足 she's sending off every good vibe.
我说 "好吧 刚确实很好 And I'll say, "Okay, well, that was fine.
但我不要"好" I don't want fine.
因为你是迈克尔·杰克逊 You're Michael Jackson,
所以我要的是"最好" so it has to be great.
因为如果不能是最好的 Because if you can't be great,
那我还让迈克尔·杰克逊来这干嘛" why the fuck do I have Michael Jackson here?"
然后他说 "好吧 约翰" So he goes, "Okay, John."
然后他弄完了下一段拍摄 And he did the next take.
他太可以了 He was great!
迈克尔·彼得斯和迈克尔·杰克逊共同创作了这个舞蹈编排 Michael Peters and Michael Jackson came up with the choreography,
这段编舞很令人着迷 and it's fascinating choreography
因为舞者们可以比平常 花更多的时间进行排练 because the dancers were allowed more rehearsal than usual.
与此同时 At that point already,
迈克尔设计了一些动作 Michael had established certain moves,
所以我对迈克尔·彼得斯的第一个指示是"诡异" so my first instruction to Michael Peters was spooky,
然后第二个指示是 and the second one was:
我不想要任何”迈克尔舞步“ "I don't want any Michael move."
他们就编排了这些 And they go into this
震感舞的一些小齐舞 popping routine, right?
这又说回到迈克尔·杰克逊跨界 This goes back to the whole thing of where
和融合各种风格的街头舞蹈的整个过程 对吧 Michael Jackson crosses the technique and the street world, right?
他被那些 震感舞啊 电流舞啊 惊叹到了 And he was so inspired by popping and waving and all that
所以他恨不得把它们加在剧情里 so that he had to put them in the film.
一个僵尸会如何跳舞呢 How would a zombie dance?
疑惑之际 我看到了这个 And then looking at it, and it was...
让我觉得眼前一亮 it just made a lot of sense to me
他们不仅仅是 跳锁舞 或者震感舞 that they weren't just locking or they just weren't popping
他们也不仅仅是跳爵士舞 or they just weren't doing jazz dance.
肢体的角度 和线条都... The angles, the lines were all...
还有扭动和弯曲 demented and crooked,
都是我以前从未见过的东西 I'd just never seen anything like that before.
那些僵尸的服装 都只是用破布做的 On those zombies, those costumes were just made of rags.
我们称之为老化腐败和糜烂的效果 We call it aging, distressing and dying.
当然这首造型设计师瑞克·贝克 为每个人量身打造的 Then, of course, Rick Baker's work was just masterful on everybody.
这是一首关于"看电影"的歌 This is a song about watching a movie.
哟 一个重磅之夜 Yo. A Blockbuster night.
他制作出一整部短片 He made a whole movie.
他让我们很满足 He entertained us.
他带来 R&B 一些恐怖 还有科幻的元素 He gave us R&B, he gave us horror, he gave us sci-fi,
最终他把所有这些都融入了音乐中 but he gave it all to us in music.
他真是 太赞了 He was just amazing.
短片发布之后 After the video came out,
销量翻了一倍 it tripled its sales.
卖出了600万个录影带 They sold six million of these.
这使得MTV成为一个能量站 This made MTV a powerhouse
促进了整个摇滚乐视频的发展 and then created this whole rock video business.
太不同寻常了 It was extraordinary.
就在那一刻起 And it's that moment when
观众们疯狂地陷进这股潮流 the audience falls madly in love,
他们创造了流行音乐的图腾 that the audience creates the icons.
他可以写歌 He could write the songs.
他可以作曲 He could produce them.
他还会唱 He could sing them.
他的表演与众不同 He could perform like no other.
他也是时尚偶像 And he also was a fashion icon.
我见过穿着红色夹克的小孩 I've seen little tiny kids in red jackets.
我见过穿着红色夹克的老爷爷 I've seen old grandpas in red jackets.
我见过穿红色夹克的女孩 I've seen girls in red jackets.
我见过每个人都穿着那件夹克 I've seen everybody wearing that jacket.
它遍布在世界各地 It was huge worldwide.
他们都在买迈克尔的那件皮夹克... They were buying the leather jackets that Michael...
他们什么都买 They were buying everything.
他们在买迈克尔·杰克逊的海报和日历 They were buying Michael Jackson posters, calendars.
我爱你 迈克尔·杰克逊 I love you, Michael Jackson.
迈克尔·杰克逊 Michael Jackson!
所有迈克尔·杰克逊的周边 Anything with Michael Jackson on it
都在火爆销售中 does continue to sell.
我在一家唱片店工作 I work in a record store, and it still
这张唱片每周都在热销当中 just flies out of the store every week.
而这是一张已经发行了一年半 几乎快两年的唱片 And we're talking about a record that's a year and a half, almost two years old,
而人们依旧对它感到兴奋 and people are still freaking out about it.
歌迷俱乐部已经诞生很久了 There have always been fan clubs,
而迈克尔的粉丝比大多数人更热情 Michael's fans more passionate than most.
这个俱乐部称自己为"P.Y.T" This club calls itself the P.Y.T.'s.
我们爱你 我们爱你 迈克尔 We love you! We love you, Michael!
如果不出意外 《颤栗》之夜 And if nothing else, "Thriller" was always
每年十月 准时上演 gonna be played in the month of October.
在墨西哥 有一个大型的活动 Like, there's this big thing in Mexico that happens
我告诉你 有很多人都特地 远飞而来参加 well, I'll tell you, the-the... every... people fly in for it.
他们都穿着戏服 They're all in their costumes,
然后他们跳《颤栗》舞蹈 and they do the "Thriller" dance,
简直人山人海 thousands of people.
人们依然 你知道... 像是这首歌是新鲜出炉的一样跳舞 And people are still, you know, dancing to this song like it was just done,
就像这短片昨天才发布一样 like the short film just came out yesterday.
《颤栗》 期待已久 "Thriller," a long time coming.
迈克尔·杰克逊的《颤栗》 Michael Jackson's "Thriller."
可能对MTV来说 是最令人翘首以盼的视频 Probably the single biggest video for MTV ever.
起初他们并不情愿 After their initial reluctance,
最终MTV还是成为了迈克尔·杰克逊的力挺者 MTV became a huge supporter of Michael Jackson,
尤其是《颤栗》短片之后 especially the "Thriller" short film.
他们大力宣传了首映礼 They heavily promoted the premiere.
在某种程度上 就像MTV中的 "M" At some point, it felt like the "M" in MTV
代表的是"迈克尔" stood for "Michael."
每个人都在讨论着 他们准备要怎么去旷课 And everybody was talking about how they were gonna cut school to go home
为了回家看《颤栗》短片 to go home to watch the "Thriller" video
因为这是 在12点的MTV全球首映 because it was a twelve o'clock world premiere on MTV.
MJ在电影里 吃着爆米花 And he was acting, he was eating popcorn,
然后他变成了一个怪物 and then he turned into a monster.
音乐有一种特质 我认为..他能够 There's something about music, I think, that has...
它能够触发人们各种不同的情绪 that triggers so many different emotions in people,
因此 你通过音乐能够实现 so you're tapping into all of that
触及到越来越广泛的观众 to a larger and larger and larger audience,
而且影响力会呈指数级增长 and it just exponentially grew.
84年的春天 So, the spring of '84,
唱片已经发行 the record's already out,
并且开始大卖了 it's already selling
而且迈克尔也已经 because Michael's now gone
从一位流行歌星变成了现象级人物 from being a pop star to a phenomenon.
吉尼斯世界纪录为他颁发了 The Guinness Book of World Records is giving him
"有史以来最畅销专辑"的奖项 an award as the biggest-selling album of all time.
今天迈克尔·杰克逊在自然历史博物馆的晚会 真是惊心动魄 It's a thriller of a party tonight for Michael Jackson at the Museum of Natural History.
就在那里 杰克逊获得表彰 That's where Jackson's being honored
因为他的专辑打破了所有的记录 for his album that's broken all the records.
对于今晚的粉丝们来说 他们的回报 This was the payoff for the fans tonight,
就是短暂地瞥见超级巨星迈克尔·杰克逊 that momentary glimpse of superstar Michael Jackson
还有和他的约会对象 波姬·小丝 with his date for the evening, Brooke Shields.
卖了2500万册的《颤栗》 Thriller, with 25 million copies sold,
是有史以来最畅销的专辑 was the best-selling album ever.
今天 我们的《颤栗》销量超过了2500万份 Today, we surpassed 25 million copies for Thriller.
迈克尔·杰克逊 世界头号艺术家 Michael Jackson, the number one artist in the world!
《颤栗》超越了其它所有 Thriller eclipsed them all.
有一段时间 这张专辑销量居然还能达到每周一百万张 At one point, the damn thing was selling a million copies a week.
迈克尔成了全球的焦点 Michael had become a global obsession.
我想 你们都是来看我的对吧 And just think, you all came to see me.
不 我知道你们为何在此 并且理应在此 No, I know why you're here, and with good reason.
为了见到当今音乐界最有才华 最受欢迎 To see one of the most talented, most popular
和最能令人感到兴奋的超级巨星 and most exciting superstars in the music world today,
迈克尔·杰克逊 Michael Jackson.
迈克尔 欢迎来到白宫 Michael, welcome to the White House.
当时迈克尔在那里 而就在这个时刻 But being with Michael at that moment in time,
《颤栗》正在电视上播出 this is... "Thriller" is now out on television.
还出现了迈克尔热潮 你知道的 And there was Michael mania, you know.
他打电话给我说 He called me, and he said,
"你去过迪斯尼世界吗" "Have you ever been to Disney World?"
乐园是开放的 附近也会有人四处走动 So the park was open, and there were people walking around.
这是迈克尔 这是米奇和我 Here's Michael, here's Mickey and me.
突然 我们环顾四周 Suddenly, we look around,
出现了一大波人 and there are people
就在目所能及的每一个地方 as far as you can see in every direction
在我们身后 在我们前面 在我们周围 behind us, in front of us, around us--
而且他们变得越来越歇斯底里 and they're getting more and more hysterical.
"迈克尔 迈克尔" "Michael! Michael!"
然后你看到米奇老鼠就像是在说 And you see Mickey Mouse is going like...
"真该死 我们不可能活着出去了" "Holy shit! We're never getting out of this alive!"
众所周知《颤栗》是世界上最重磅的专辑 You know, Thriller was the biggest album in the world,
迈克尔是最重磅的明星 Michael was the biggest star,
他想要为《颤栗》开展巡演 and he wanted to go out and tour Thriller.
但是约瑟夫 也就是 杰克逊先生 But Joseph, you know, uh, Mr. Jackson,
却有其他想法 had other ideas.
他想把全家人重新聚在一起 He wanted to bring all the family back together.
他请了唐·金作为巡回演出的推荐推广人 He brought in Don King as the recommended promoter of the tour.
他拉来了兄弟们和杰克逊夫人 凯瑟琳 And he got the brothers and Mrs. Jackson, Katherine.
所有人都表示支持 Everybody was all for it.
但说实话 迈克尔反倒很犹豫 Michael was hesitant, to be honest.
他觉得自己独自创作出了《颤栗》 He felt like he had done Thriller on his own,
他想以独唱歌手的身份巡回演出 and he wanted to tour as a solo artist.
但最终他还是被说服去和兄弟们巡演 But he was persuaded to go along with it.
这次巡演是一次营销的大丰收 This tour is a bonanza of marketing,
每个赞助商都想来分一杯羹 so everybody wants to get in on this.
桂格燕麦公司 他们做了笔交易 And Quaker Oats, you know, they had made a deal.
他们与杰克逊一家达成了一项初步协议 They had a tentative deal with the Jacksons
成为了这次巡演的赞助商 to be the sponsors of this thing.
然后唐·金说 "听着 我已经签了一个赞助商 And then Don King says, "Listen, I've already made a deal.
是百事可乐 I made it with Pepsi."
迈克尔对赞助不感兴趣 Michael was not into the sponsorship
因为他说 "这不关我的事 'cause he-he said, "This isn't my thing.
我不喝百事可乐 这都是为了我的家人" I don't drink Pepsi. This is all for my family."
迈克尔不想和百事可乐签赞助协议 And Michael did not want to do the Pepsi deal.
因为他对我说 "好吧 布兰卡 听我说 'Cause he said to me, "Okay, Branca, listen to me.
我妥协也只是为了我的家人 I got to do this 'cause my family wants it,
但你必须在合同中写两件事 but you have to write two things in the contract.
第一 我不会碰百事可乐罐 Number one: I'm never holding a Pepsi can.
第二 我在屏幕上露脸的画面 最多不能超过三秒 And number two: I can't be on the screen for more than three seconds."
所以在合同里 都加上了 So it's in the Pepsi contract,
露脸不超过三秒 不碰百事可乐罐 的条款 no more than three seconds and never holding a Pepsi can.
这时候你再回头看看那个广告 So if you ever watch that commercial again,
你就恍然大悟了 you'll-you'll see.
说来有趣 因为 It's interesting because
如果唐·金没有和百事可乐达成协议 if Don King had not made the deal with Pepsi,
迈克尔就不会被烧伤头皮 Michael's hair wouldn't have gotten burned.
我实际上参加了百事可乐广告拍摄 I was actually at the Pepsi commercial,
我有一张全程通行证 and I had an all-access pass.
当我到达位于市中心的神社礼堂时 When I arrived at the Shrine Auditorium Downtown,
迈克尔和杰克逊家族在台上 Michael and the Jacksons were onstage
表演《比利·简》 performing "Billie Jean."
观众们被提前告知 The audience had been invited,
他们被要求"要尖叫 整个场面都要很疯狂" you know, and they were told to scream and the whole thing.
其实他们压根都不需要被指示去尖叫 They didn't have to be instructed to do that.
他们本身就很疯狂热情的 They were crazy about, you know,
他们对见到杰克逊家族和迈克尔非常着迷 seeing the Jacksons and Michael there and...
他们进行了一次排练 然后他们下台了 They did a run-through, and after they came offstage,
迈克尔当时心情很好 Michael was just in a great mood
他玩得很开心 无所事事 and he was having fun, fooling around.
然后他们被叫了回去 And then they called them back out
然后说 "我们再来一次" and said, "We're gonna do this again."
结果这次出大问题了 And it went horribly wrong.
拍摄百事可乐广告时 发生了一次大爆炸 Filming the Pepsi commercial, there was a big explosion.
火花灼伤了迈克尔的头皮 And it burned Michael's scalp
非常严重 very severely.
观众不知道发生了什么事 The audience didn't know what was going on.
当他们把迈克尔带下舞台时 And when they took Michael offstage,
我去了后台 I went backstage,
简直是一片混乱 and it was just absolute chaos.
他们把他放在担架上 They put him in a stretcher--
就是 救护车担架 you know, an ambulance stretcher--
他们把他从台下 带到一辆救护车上 and they took him offstage to a paramedic truck.
迈克尔·杰克逊当时还算清醒... And Michael Jackson was smart enough...
被遮盖起来 to be covered up,
但是他的手套露出来了 but he had his glove out.
那张他戴着钻石手套的照片 迅速传遍了全世界 That was the photograph that went around the world of him with the glitter glove.
台下参与拍摄的观众们都在哭 People were crying, you know, in the audience.
然后 人们都更跟在后面 追着救护车 And people were running with the ambulance
因为它要把他带走 as it was taking him away.
这简直无法想象 It was just an incredible thing.
当我回到家 所有新闻都在报道 When I got home, it was all over the news.
杰克逊昨晚被紧急送往医院 Jackson was rushed to a hospital last night
当时他遭受到二级和三级烧伤 after suffering second- and third-degree burns.
但是他的医生说 But his doctor said
这位名人伤者的情况良好 the famous patient was doing well.
他昨晚睡了几个小时 He slept several hours last night.
他大约在一点钟的时候 起床看电视 He was up watching TV at approximately one o'clock.
他今天早上很舒服 虽然被烧伤折磨 He's comfortable this morning, although he is continuing
引起头皮不适 to have discomfort in the scalp area.
人们没有意识到的是 他不得不去急救治疗中心接受紧急治疗 People don't realize he had to go to emergency treatment in a burn center,
他一生中都受到了那次烧伤的痛苦困扰 and he was troubled by the pain from that burn for the rest of his life,
这导致他开始依赖 止痛药之类的 来减轻疼痛 which led to pain pills and whatnot to-to ease the pain.
他不断感受到疼痛 所以他需要止痛药 Because he needed painkillers, he was in pain,
但生活还得继续 Life couldn't stop.
他的必做之事 可以满满写出一整本书 He had a book full of things that he had to do.
一个望不到尽头的任务清单 You know, a schedule that just could not stop.
在堪萨斯城举行的胜利之旅的首演 The opening of the Victory Tour in Kansas City
可是个大新闻 was a massive event.
在"Arrowhead"体育场 It's at Arrowhead Stadium.
这是一个巨大的足球场 It's a giant football stadium.
-我爱你 迈克尔 -我爱你 迈克尔 -I love you, Michael. -I love you, Michael.
我非常爱你 I love you so much.
这将是本世纪最棒的演唱会 This is gonna be the best concert of the century.
-你不觉得吗 -当然 -Don't you think? -Definitely.
我今天必须向迈克尔·杰克逊求婚 I have to ask Michael Jackson to marry me today.
我们愿意做任何事去见迈克尔·杰克逊 We would do about anything to see Michael Jackson.
您现在所看到的是 You're looking at a sneak preview
可能是历史上 最具有热度的巡回摇滚演唱会 of what is perhaps the most controversial rock concert tour in history,
杰克逊家族的"胜利"巡演 The Jacksons' Victory Tour,
今晚在堪萨斯城开幕 opening tonight in Kansas City.
堪萨斯城的"胜利"巡演门票已经售罄 The Victory Tour sold out in Kansas City.
然后他们去了达拉斯 杰克逊威尔 Then it was on to Dallas, Jacksonville,
新泽西 纽约和诺克斯维尔 New Jersey, New York and Knoxville.
目前计划在大约13个城市举行 It's currently scheduled in some 13 cities
更多的细节尚未公布 with more sites yet to be announced.
今晚的杰克逊家族的"胜利"演唱会的准备工作进展顺利 Preparations are well underway tonight for the Jacksons' Victory Tour concert.
杰克逊家族的大型舞台表演 即将在周四开始 The Jacksons' massive stage was beginning to take shape as early as Thursday.
没多少场地可以 像这样搭造出这样巨大的舞台 There's not too many places that you can stick a monstrous stage like this.
超过50场这样的演出 Most of the performances,
会在像Silverdome体育场这样的场地举行 more than 50 in all, will be in stadiums like the Silverdome.
"胜利"巡演的演出 更多地融入了主流美国 The shows of the Victory Tour were much more mainstream America,
这也就证明了 迈克尔获得的巨大成功 and that was a testament to how big Michael had become
以及他的专辑的深入人心 and to the penetration of the album.
《颤栗》的讽刺之处在于 The irony of Thriller is that
居然从未举办过 专属于这张"史上最畅销的专辑"的巡演 There was never a tour solely dedicated to the biggest LP of all time.
"胜利"巡演中 混合了杰克逊家族经典歌曲和《颤栗》中的热门歌曲 The Victory Tour was a mix of vintage Jackson family music and hits from Thriller.
但正是《颤栗》专辑里的歌 就足以每晚让人们狂欢 But it was the Thriller material that turned the crowd out every night.
迈克尔获得了12项提名... Michael has been nominated for 12...
12项1983年格莱美奖提名 -12 1983 Grammy Awards.
这是历史上最多的提名 The highest number in history.
1984年 我们在神殿礼堂参加了格莱美奖颁奖典礼 So we went to the 1984 Grammys at the Shrine Auditorium.
我并不觉得他有多紧张 I didn't get the feeling he was nervous.
我反而感觉到的是 他非常兴奋 I actually got the feeling that he was excited.
我甚至不认为我意识到它的重要性 And I don't think I had any idea even the magnitude of it.
迈克尔·杰克逊总共获得了12项格莱美提名 Michael Jackson was nominated for 12 Grammys overall,
包括年度最佳专辑和年度最佳唱片 including Album of the Year and Record of the Year.
年度最佳歌曲是... The Record of the Year is...
《避开》迈克尔·杰克逊 "Beat It," Michael Jackson.
年度最佳专辑... For Album of the Year...
得奖的是... The winner is...
《颤栗》 Thriller!
最佳流行乐男歌手 迈克尔·杰克逊 Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male: Michael Jackson.
我跟自己打了个赌 如果我再赢得一项奖 也就是这个奖项 I made a deal with myself, if I win one more award, which is this award,
仅靠一张专辑获得了七个格莱美 which is seven, which is a record,
那就我当众摘下墨镜 I would take off my glasses.
这是他应得的 He deserved it.
你知道... 是时候大丰收了 You know, it was... it was due.
1984年2月 In February 1984,
迈克尔和昆西的《颤栗》共获得了十二项格莱美奖 between Michael and Quincy, Thriller won a dozen Grammys.
正如我们所知 《颤栗》这张专辑获得了巨大的成就 Well, as we know, Thriller is a huge, huge success the album
与此同时... but, uh...
做非凡事情的乐趣很充实 the joy of doing something phenomenal
每个人都期待着下一个重磅炸弹 'cause everybody waiting to see the next big,
也就是迈克尔·杰克逊的短片 you know, Michael Jackson short.
我认为《颤栗》正是这个完美载体 And I thought "Thriller" was the perfect vehicle.
-我们会退出的 -不 -We're gonna come out. -No.
-没人会喜欢我们 -不 不 不 不 不 -No one's gonna like it. -No, no, no, no, no.
但是你 迈克尔 在40年后... But 40 years from now, Michael
我的未来大局已定 My part will be.
你的我就不清楚了 I don't know about you.
好了 不闹了 All right, and stop.
谁给了你最大的灵感 Who's your biggest inspiration?
谁给了你最大的启发 Who inspired you the most?
迈克尔·杰克逊 Michael Jackson.
迈克尔意识到他通过《墙外》可以接近伟大 Michael saw that he could touch greatness with Off the Wall,
他知道他仍然在对抗种族主义的广播 knew he was still going against racist radio
和那些想要把他局限于某种框框的人 and people that wanted to put him in a box.
但能达到这个境界的那0.0001%的极少数人 But you have to be so in the rarefied air, 0.0001%,
也必须能够让自己跻身于成功者当中才行 to even be able to, like, project yourself to that.
我能感受到他的想法是 That idea that I can take
我能够用舞蹈音乐和视觉效果颠覆整个世界 dance music and visuals and turn the world on its ear,
他在《颤栗》中所创造的这个想法不会消逝 that idea that he crystallized in "Thriller"-- not going away,
我不认为它永远都不会消逝 and I don't think it's ever gonna go away.
所以 无论是《人之本性》中他惊人的嗓音 So, whether it was "Human Nature" and his amazing voice,
是吧 还有《避开》里面的那些各种元素 you know, "Beat It" and looking at the references that were there,
因为每次你看一遍视频 你就会对这个艺术家本身和 Because every time you saw a video, you got a new idea of, like,
他所传播的理念 形成一个全新的理解 who he was as an artist and what he was selling.
有他的发型 他的服装 他的穿衣风格 There was his hair and his clothing, his wardrobe.
所有这些元素都在影响着整个文化 All of those things were informing the culture.
他在建立者行业的标准 He was establishing the standard.
《颤栗》 Thriller.
天哪 以前可从来没有这样的专辑 Man, there has never been anything like that.
迈克尔·杰克逊的《颤栗》 Michael Jackson's Thriller.
怎么了 What's the problem?
来吧 我送你回家 Come on, I'll take you home.